Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
83:51 – 96:43… And Kay Callen, the rich lady who's with gear and then the husband at the end is like, she was with me that night. Yeah. She, this is, I'll do it for Apex Mountain. Those are the three. Kay Callen with no period. Yeah, just the letter Kay. Letter Kay Callen. Amazing. I hope it's Bill Duke, right? It's gotta be Bill Duke. Yeah, he's thrown out. Leon. Recasting Couch. I think it still should have been Julie Christie. I think the character being a little bit older was, and smoking hot, but more realistic married to the senator. The Lauren Hunt and married to the senator thing never added up to me. Even …
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Two great that guys. Dion Waiter's award. We got Bill Duke. We have Hector Elizondo. And Kay Callen, the rich lady who's with gear and then the husband at the end is like, she was with me that night. Yeah. She, this is, I'll do it for Apex Mountain. Those are the three. Kay Callen with no period. Yeah, just the letter Kay. Letter Kay Callen. Amazing. I hope it's Bill Duke, right? It's gotta be Bill Duke. Yeah, he's thrown out. Leon. Recasting Couch. I think it still should have been Julie Christie. I think the character being a little bit older was, and smoking hot, but more realistic married to the senator. The Lauren Hunt and married to the senator thing never added up to me. Even though I know that senators have hot whites, but I just, she was like too beautiful and too, Julie Christie, like older, you could see, you know, she could play it a certain way where she's basically like in milf range. So I don't know. Love milf range. Milf range. That's actually a really good pot idea. Should that have been the movie title instead of American Gigolo? No? That's Zach Wilson's pot. Milf range. I like that. And if you're going younger, I think Jessica Lange would have been amazing. And she ends up making like the postman always rings twice. If she's going to make a sex movie, this would have been the one. I read that Glenn Close was also up for this. So Glenn Close is a good one. She's interesting because she's not sort of like striking supermodel type that Lauren Hutton is, but the idea of her one being a senator's wife, two being really kind of desirous of Julian, I think she, you know, she does this like in Jagged Edge and movies in the future where she knows how to roll in an erotic thriller. So I think she would have been good. Yeah. She would have been good in the weird, like nobody in this movie knows how to tail somebody else. Effectively stretch. Yeah. Bumping into you in the record. That's true. We should have that at What's Edge of Worse. Terrible tailing. It's bad. Half-ass internet research. Oh, for recasting couch, who is, who's American Gigolo now? I guess the answer is Bernthal because they made the show with Bernthal. Yeah. No, it's Miles Teller. Come on. Miles Teller. Yeah. That'd be great. Oh, wow. I would say I would say it's Glenn Pass. How? Bernthal's too old for that part. Isn't it Glenn Pass? Well, he would be good. He's a little like smirky smiley. You need somebody who's more comfortable with being a little more brooding, I think. Or is the character more bisexual than is in this movie and maybe you go for somebody a little more, I don't know, sexually androgynous. I mean, Timothee Chalamet. Right. Armie Hammer? I don't think so. Cannibal Gigolo? I don't. It's a different movie. Half-Asset-Center Research. The nanny, I mean, I'm sorry, the madam played by Nina Van Pallen became famous in the early 70s as the mistress of Clifford Irving, the guy who did the hoax biography of Howard Hughes and then all these years later, Gere played Irving in the hoax. Yep. I like that. Come around. Do you remember who played Nina Van Pallen in the hoax? Who? Julie Delpy. Oh, our girl Julie. Pretty cool movie. Here's Schrader's story about convincing Barry Diller to do Richard Gere. He said, you don't talk to studio executives on the weekend. He calls him anyway and he says, I've offered the part to Richard Gere. Barry Diller says, you weren't authorized to do that. He's like, Travolta's dropped out. I want to make the film. So he says, so Monday when the trades contact you about John dropping out, it could be, Travolta's dropped out, Freddie Fields is now assuming Paramount, who's a producer, the project has collapsed or we could say, we understand why John can't do this at this time. We're moving forward with Richard Gere. And I know you want John for Urban Cowboy and basically does this. This is Schrader's version. I'm not positive it's true, but basically he does chess with Barry Diller and gets it so he can get Gere and pushes Travolta to Urban Cowboy. Okay. I might believe it. I don't know. This is like you flying solo on bringing Zach Lowe to Graylin. You're just like, I got this. Like, it's not who you think it's going to be. It's going to be my guy. My guy's going to do it. The number's going to work. We're going to have success. Trust me on this. Worked out. Very similar. Took over a year to bring Zach Lowe to Graylin. It should have happened in 2011. Zach always blogs in Armani suits, right? Yeah, in a great style and who gives a lot of sexual pleasure to lots of people who've never experienced an orgasm. Apex Mountain. Richard Gere. I think it's Officer and a Gentleman. Oh. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. It's not this. It's not this. No. I think it's Officer and a Gentleman. Could you make a case for 1990 with both Pretty Woman and Internal Affairs? You could. It's that or Officer and a Gentleman. I think he comes out Officer and a Gentleman and this is one of the five biggest leading actors we have and then he squanders it. He's not nominated for that though, right? Like, Lewis Gossett Jr. wins. I think Debra Winger was nominated. Gere should have been nominated. I think that was a tough Oscar year is my memory. 82 I think was pretty brutal. Yeah, he's so funny. Dustin Hoffman, Tootsie Year. That movie got screenplay, editing, score, song and didn't get gear. I don't like the way you're looking at me, Mayo! Is that your gossip? Yeah, I tried. Lauren Hutton, Apex Mountain. Hmm. Probably in the 70s. I don't think it's this movie. Yeah. She was the biggest model in the world. Yeah, she's. Not at Once Bitten, the Jim Carrey vehicle? Not at Once Bitten. Okay. Also in Sean on Sean, I read that Lauren Hutton shouldn't have been in this film. Shut up. So can't be her Apex Mountain. CR on CR never got released, but it's 700 pages. Crank on crank? Crank on crank. Still cranking, the CR story. Apex Mountain for gigolos? Ooh. Better use of a gigolo in a movie or TV? Was Todd Parker a gigolo? I feel like he, I mean, he said, he hints that he was a dancer. We might have talked about this during the four and a half hour pod that I blacked out. None of us can remember that pod. Yeah. But I, he said he was at a dance club. It was insinuated that dance club might have male customers, not female. Yeah. Why don't you introduce her to my lap? Yeah. Todd Parker. I have this as Apex for gigolos. Unless you want to go with the Showtime reality show gigolos. Never seen that series, unfortunately. Schrader? Probably. Probably. I think he did more celebrated things, but this is probably his biggest hit. So, yeah. Blondie? This song's only two minutes, 15 seconds. I feel like Heart of Glass is probably a bigger hit than this. Am I crazy? I would say their Apex is probably a year earlier than this. Heart of Glass went to number one, and this is, this is called data. Heart of Glass went to number one on February 17th, 1979. Yeah. And it was number one for 20, it was on the charts for 21 weeks. But then that means it basically bleeds right into when this is number one on the charts. Call Me debuts on February 16th, 1980, goes to number one for six weeks. Yeah. And it charts for 25 weeks. But, the song that is on the charts the longest of theirs comes nine months later, and it's a cover of The Tide Is High. Interesting. Nine months is still, so then the answer is yes for this general period. Yeah, and Rapture also is a year after that, or a few months after that, and it goes to number one as well for two weeks. So here's the, Four number one hit singles. That's amazing. Here's the actual answer. Their apex is actually a few months earlier, in October, when they're on Saturday Night Live with Steve Martin on the first episode of the fifth season, when the show is still massive, right after Belushi and Aykroyd left. And they have Call Me coming, and just things are happening. I would say, I'd vote for that. I think my favorite song is One Way or Another, which never even went to number one. They were a sick band, great band. Bill Duke, no. Gravity Boots, yes. Incredible Gravity Boots moment in this. She's never, Gravity Boots have never been, I don't know what happened to Gravity Boots. Somebody must have broken their neck, and then that was it. Somebody got sued. It does seem perilous. Yeah. I would never do that. Never. Malibu is a movie location. I was trying to think what's done it better. This is way up there. Is enough of the movie set there, though? It's not. So I think there's another answer, but I don't know the answer to that. I don't know. I can't think of a Malibu movie at the moment. There's some good ones. We have, well, Neil's, Neil's place is in Malibu, and he, That's true. When Kilmer goes, sun rises, sets for me, man. I do like in The Big Lebowski when he's like, stay out of Malibu, deadbeat. The Tangerine Dream Marauder Eerie Music Era? I think it peaks with Risky Business in 83. I'm good with that. It's such an important piece. I don't know how we haven't done Risky Business yet. That's shocking. Probe? Apex Mountain for Probe? For Probes or for Probe? Probe. The bar Probe. Probe wasn't a real bar, right? This wasn't a real place. I think Probe is a real bar. Should we go there tonight? Yeah. Okay. Best racehorse name. Wait, we can't get out of Apex Mountain without doing side dick. Is this Apex Mountain for side dick? Definitely not. Gone Girl. He needed some self-fluffing. Affleck and Gone Girl? Gone Girl, I think. That's my pick as well. Affleck knew. He fluffed himself. Yep. Best racer's name. He acquitted himself very well. Oh, and Armani we should mention. This could be possible Apex Mountain for Armani. Becomes the biggest fashion business in the world. It's the springboard for sure, right? The springboard. Yeah, maybe the 90s. Sometime in the 90s. Best racehorse name. American Gigolo would be an amazing racehorse name. And here comes American Gigolo. I don't know if anyone would do that. I'm going with Just One Fuck. Just One Fuck is good. That's amazing. Just One F. What about Side Dick? Side Dick? I have for best racehorse name, Julian K. Would be an amazing horse name. Really good. This is my horse, Julian K. I just think when you put him out to stud, you know? Let's go, Julie. Let's go, Julie. What do you got for picking it, Sean? Other than the last 15 minutes of the movie. So Lauren Hutton's character, obviously, is intoxicated with Julian, right? She loves that she's able to have sexual pleasure for, I guess, the first time in her life. And she becomes obsessed with him. She starts basically following him around and pursuing him in an obsessive way. We have no understanding, though, of what emotional feelings she has for him. And she follows him to the ends of a murder charge. And I just never really buy love. And the movie is about love. There's not that one scene where they connect in some sort of lying in bed at three in the morning. It's like there's one scene missing. And Ebert identifies this in his review, and I think he's right. There's something missing in the movie that it's like, take out those second and third and fourth to last scenes and 20 minutes before that, give us a moment between them in which you can see the glimmer of gear and you can see Michelle Stratton have emotional recognition. Because otherwise, it's just like, she's just dick crazy. And that's not, I don't think that's enough. They could have thrown in a really good like Malibu eating scene. They're laughing about something. They're having some rosé. Oh, I thought when you said Malibu eating scene, you meant another three-hour pursuit of the orgasm. That can be in your sequel. Just for you, SG. Sean didn't recoil like I thought he would. No, you know what would have been good? Going to a Laker game. We could have got a little Kareem and Magic, 79-80. Really? Yeah. To them, Julian's just like... With no boo open at that time, you know? Just get some tuna tartare. Julian talking about Kareem Skyhook. And she's like, I'm in on this guy. You think he was a big Laker guy? I think he'd better know a couple games. Yeah, yeah. That would have, like to make this the most perfect LA movie ever, the Lakers had to be involved. Would have been great to see him and AC Green
105:24 – 108:14… a side, he needs to just make more important. I wanted him to be an accessory to murder. No? I don't know. Rewrite it. Write your sequel. I forgot for, for Apex Mountain, I forgot to mention Kate Callan again because this was not her Apex Mountain. What was? It was Fast Break with Gabe Kaplan. Nice. She's the teacher who is having trouble with DC Dacey and is going to fail him out. Gabe Kaplan talks her back and then by the end of the Fast Break, huge supporter of the program, Cad Wilder's date. Here's one of my favorite things about Kate Callan. So, a lot of characters, you know, when they're in movies, …
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and stuff, so you think that he should play a bigger part, but he's just an accessory. Like, he's just a, he's a side, he needs to just make more important. I wanted him to be an accessory to murder. No? I don't know. Rewrite it. Write your sequel. I forgot for, for Apex Mountain, I forgot to mention Kate Callan again because this was not her Apex Mountain. What was? It was Fast Break with Gabe Kaplan. Nice. She's the teacher who is having trouble with DC Dacey and is going to fail him out. Gabe Kaplan talks her back and then by the end of the Fast Break, huge supporter of the program, Cad Wilder's date. Here's one of my favorite things about Kate Callan. So, a lot of characters, you know, when they're in movies, they often are like Steve Jones or, you know, Roger Stevenson. She's played Mrs. Bird, Miss Tidwell, Mrs. Powell, Mrs. Piston, Mrs. Hallstrom, Miss Tannenbaum. She was always like an older lady who was not allowed to have a first name. Right. In all the scripts. Or initials or like a full first name in real life. That's right. We'll just give you a letter. That's it. Her real name is Catherine. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie is the easiest dancer of all time? I want the car. I want the car. Okay. I'm going with the ankle. The gravity boots? That would be cool. The game worn gravity boots? That whole kit. You know, the free weights, the gravity boots, the little tiny gray shorts that he's wearing in that whole scene. Remarkable stuff. That's my pick. The suits are not in style anymore and I also could not pull them off, but still. Those are some nice suits. It's fun to have like 10 of the seats. Coach Finstock Award for best life lesson. It don't matter how much, Julie. The other side will always pay more. Great life lesson. Love it. I'm going with Julian saying, take your pleasure when you can. But I do know a whore when I see one. Who won the movie? Oh boy. I think it's gear. I think it's gear too. I think it's gear. I love Schrader. I hate saying it's not Schrader, but it's gear. I think it's gear. It's just a all-time seminal performance by him. Launched him into superstardom. Yeah, it vaulted him. I think Marauder did very well by this. I think Armani. Armani obviously did very well. You can think about all the ways it could have gone wrong with the casting. Three years later, this could have been Tom Cruise as American Gigolo. I think, so by this point, gear has already been, and we didn't mention this, the star of a John Schlesinger movie, Yanks, and the star of a Terrence Malick movie, Days of Heaven. Both good movies. Days of Heaven's kind of a legendary movie, but they're not big hits and they're not movies. He would have probably been a successful actor. He would have been a leading man in smaller movies, but this one, this is a little. It allows him to be, oh, we didn't get your
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