Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
47:11 – 49:57… Oh, no question. Very, very few. They did catch a white hot Josh Jackson, though. And this is Dawson's Creek's Apex. You must tell me. We'll get to him with Apex Mountain later. The opening scene is Sebastian, like, horribly internet shaming Tara Reid. Yeah. I had forgotten about that until I rewatched. That's probably you get kicked out of school and probably prosecuted. Yeah, I think that falls under the definition of revenge porn at this point, which, yeah. So if they remade this movie, it's just over after six minutes. He goes to jail and nothing else happens. The stunt casting of Sarah Michelle Gellar as …
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He's like, I really was, you know, that was an important character for me. I'm trying to change stereotypes. It's like, what are you talking about? If Reese had 15 shooting days, he had what? Two? Three? Oh, no question. Very, very few. They did catch a white hot Josh Jackson, though. And this is Dawson's Creek's Apex. You must tell me. We'll get to him with Apex Mountain later. The opening scene is Sebastian, like, horribly internet shaming Tara Reid. Yeah. I had forgotten about that until I rewatched. That's probably you get kicked out of school and probably prosecuted. Yeah, I think that falls under the definition of revenge porn at this point, which, yeah. So if they remade this movie, it's just over after six minutes. He goes to jail and nothing else happens. The stunt casting of Sarah Michelle Gellar as the bad girl. As a brunette. As a brunette bad girl has aged badly just because it felt like a much bigger deal in 1999. It was like, whoa. Buffy. What's going on? But. And now 20 years later, it doesn't have the same lust. Okay. So it's just lost. It's just the impact of it. Yeah. It was a great. It was almost like Lacey Chabert and Mean Girls. Same kind of thing where it was like part of the gimmick of it was how shocking it was to see somebody in that role. As long as we're not saying that her performance hasn't aged well, because I think it's tremendous. I think it's great. I actually think we could have put her on what stage the best. I think so as well. I think she it's. And to that end, and I was watching and I was like, wow, I forgot how good she is in this. Do you want to do this now? Because I was going to save this. Okay. Well, let's save it. Let's save it. No, I'm ready to do it now. Well, but we're in the negative category right now. So let's. No, but we'll spin it to a positive. Okay. Unless you have other what's HD worse. I think we, I think the homophobia is hard. It's hard to beat. It's really bad. Gregory. It's really, really bad. And then like they clearly know in the movie that it's bad too. So Sarah Michelle Geller. I'll save it. I'm going to save it. Okay. Casting what ifs. Yes. Oh, what do we think aged the worst? The internet shaming of Tara Reid? And the homophobia. I think together those are, it's just, it's not a great look. Casting what ifs. They wanted to play for Annette. Katie Holmes. Oh. She would have been good in that. Not as good, but that works. Writer, director, Roger Cumball. Didn't think she had enough strength of character for the role. Who knows what that means? That just means she does not have a lot of like charisma. A little depth. And a lot of energy. So imagine her and Ryan Phillippe. It would just be like two wet rags trying not to. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything else she's like ever been in except for Dawson's Creek and teaching Mrs. Tingle. Like what else is she? Oh, and go. She was in the first Batman, remember? And then she had to quit. Everyone hated her. No. And then, no. Oh, Tom Cruise made her quit? Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. I still like her. Okay. I love her now, by the way, with Jamie Foxx. For the Selma Blair part, they wanted Brittany Murphy.
54:57 – 60:27… decision that helped them, 2 Sheila not being used. Yeah. Whatever the hell that song was. Never get involved with the Smashing Pumpkins. You can avoid it. Apex Mountain. Ryan Phillippe? Phillippe? Ryan Phillippe? I don't know, Bill. We've named a lot of other movies in which he was great. Crash? Maybe. Wow. I think it is his Apex Mountain. I do, too. I do, too. Because you would have said after this movie that he was going to have a career where he headlined some movies. And he did. They just weren't good movies. I don't know where I would have, but yeah. He was a headliner for a few years. Absolutely. …
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So, it cost a million dollars. It was a great decision. It's like... Great decision. Yeah. Not working with... It defines the movie. And also, a big decision that helped them, 2 Sheila not being used. Yeah. Whatever the hell that song was. Never get involved with the Smashing Pumpkins. You can avoid it. Apex Mountain. Ryan Phillippe? Phillippe? Ryan Phillippe? I don't know, Bill. We've named a lot of other movies in which he was great. Crash? Maybe. Wow. I think it is his Apex Mountain. I do, too. I do, too. Because you would have said after this movie that he was going to have a career where he headlined some movies. And he did. They just weren't good movies. I don't know where I would have, but yeah. He was a headliner for a few years. Absolutely. Sure. Him and Freddie Prinze Jr. I mean, that's the thing. These two power couples. Freddie Prinze Jr. and Sarah Michelle Gellar. And then Reese Witherspoon and Ryan Phillippe. It's like, I don't even know what to compare that to. Only one stayed. You know why? Because the Freddie-Sarah thing was already like this when they started dating. Even though Freddie was doing pretty well. But Sarah was always like this. They knew. I don't even want to bring it up because I don't want to jinx it. But it's just really heartwarming to me that they're still together. It's been a long time. Great Instagrams. Me, too. Really great. They seem like a really sweet, normal family. I feel the same way about Amanda and Zach Banner. Thank you. Sarah Michelle Gellar. Apex Mountain. I'm going to say yes. Huh. Well. Buffy was a phenomenon. This was the same year she hosted SNL and she was one of the best SNL hosts of that decade. Thank you so much for bringing it up. I went to that episode. What? The fashion boys were on. Oh my God. Yes. That's amazing. It's almost 20 years ago in like two weeks. That was the family dinner episode. Yes. And David Boreanaz and Seth Green came out. That was. I drive a Dodge Stratus. You went to that episode? I was 13 and I snuck in. I had to pretend that I was 16. It was like the happiest weekend of my life. Incredible. Thank you so much for bringing it up. Great job. I'm going Apex Mountain because Juliet Saar. Yeah. I agree. Saturday Night Live. Buffy. This movie and Buffy. Yeah. Of course. Buffy 1999 was about as big as Buffy was going to get, I think. Right? That sounds right. Because it starts in 97. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's about to have a spinoff. That's usually a sign you have a lot of power. Reese Witherspoon, no way. No. Counting Crows, no. I think that their friends. I wanted to give it to them, but no. I think their friends moment is bigger than this one. Well, when, so they're putting out that second album and he's dating. Courtney Cox, right? After he dated Jennifer Aniston. That's got to be Apex Mountain for them. I also want to say that their music was used a lot on Dawson's Creek around this time. A lot. It's really. Mrs. Potter's Lullaby was like huge. I mean, they were very, very much in the mix. It was extremely formative for a certain type of teen movie TV consumer. I'm watching right now with my daughter because she has a playlist of like 25, 10 Crow songs. Yeah. I think they'll have a nice long tail. The great music. The Crow's. This was the Apex Mountain for cocaine crosses, I feel like. Oh my God, sure. Never seen a better use of a cocaine cross. I think that's a kind of realistic. Have you? A starring role, yeah. I think that's kind of realistic. I saw like a lot of casual cocaine usage when I was like 16, 17. Oh, tell us more. I just remember being at parties and like people would just be like doing coke and I was like, what? What is this? Are they carrying it in like a crucifix? No, but like I just feel like someone would do that. Sure, yeah. I don't know a lot of Catholic people. I mean, someone would have a flair for the dramatic. That's like quite dramatic. Yeah. This movie also predicted the fall of the Catholic Church with all this stuff. There we go. And the anti-heroes. I don't have any more apex modes. The Joe Pantoliani Award for best that guy or that girl. I go with Swoozie Kurtz. I thought you were going to do Salma Blair. No, that's a different award. That's the Sal Ruminick They Knew Award. Oh, yeah. Okay, that's right. This Joey Pants. Can I ask this one again? Swoozie Kurtz, the doctor, the therapist at the beginning. She's been in everything. Sisters was my favorite show. Not everyone knows that's Swoozie Kurtz. I know it's Swoozie Kurtz. You know it's Swoozie Kurtz. Yeah, I mean, she was a star of Sisters, a George Clooney vehicle. I can't believe. Sisters is great. Great show. Anytime that Juliet gets to talk about Sisters on a podcast, we're doing great. Is it even streaming? No, of course not. That's terrible. Just look for James Falconer on YouTube. This episode is brought to you by ChatGBT. 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