Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
67:43 – 73:35… be 18 years or older. A resident and a resident of the continental U.S. Void where prohibited. See official rules and details at luminary.link. Okay. Wow. Apex Mountain. I say yes for Costner. I don't think it's Dances with Wolves. I think it's this movie. I think this movie sets up Dances with Wolves. Wow. Once he pulls this movie off, it's like, wow, that guy's the biggest star we have. This is the kind of case you take to the Apex Mountain Supreme Court. And I don't know where Chief Justice Roberts comes down on what, like, so are we talking about- Whether it's Wolves? Is he ever cooler? No. He's never …
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Don't miss out on this limited pre-sale offer. No purchase necessary. Must be 18 years or older. A resident and a resident of the continental U.S. Void where prohibited. See official rules and details at luminary.link. Okay. Wow. Apex Mountain. I say yes for Costner. I don't think it's Dances with Wolves. I think it's this movie. I think this movie sets up Dances with Wolves. Wow. Once he pulls this movie off, it's like, wow, that guy's the biggest star we have. This is the kind of case you take to the Apex Mountain Supreme Court. And I don't know where Chief Justice Roberts comes down on what, like, so are we talking about- Whether it's Wolves? Is he ever cooler? No. He's never cooler. He's, in this movie, he's cooler in Bull Durham. No. No. No, no, no. You're right. He's cooler in Bull Durham. Yes. I'm almost talking about those movies as a pair. 88, 89. The combo of them, I think. If you pair them, it's- Plus No Way Out, which is an awesome movie that's aged really well. I can tell you want to do a No Way Out Realogical, so I'm here for you. I love that movie. Well, because people would say Dances with Wolves, he wins all the Oscars. Career-wise. He directed it. Yes. Everybody said it was going to be a bust. But the reason he was able to direct that movie was because of the role he was on and the fact that he was the most bankable actor in Hollywood. Is Robin Hood after Dances or before it? Which one? Is Robin Hood before or after Dances? Well after. Okay. I say it's this. I don't think he's ever been more likable, had a higher likability rate across America, had the ability to do more projects, and everybody was in on Kevin Costner. When he started doing Dances with Wolves, people were like, fuck that guy. Why is he going to direct it? And then it came out, and then it was like, it's going to win all these Oscars. People were like, fuck that movie. Goodfellas should have won. Like there was already a backlash. This movie, there's no backlash. Karen! James Earl Jones. I don't really know enough about James Earl Jones' career. I think like you could, you know, either being the voice of Darth Vader or like Othello or something. You know what I mean? Like he's had, he's had a lot of really big. This feels like the James Earl Jones-iest kind of just longest lasting performance he's going to have. I don't think there's a lot of people watching like Othello. You know? So I don't know the answer to that. Timothy Busfield was also in 30-something, right? No, it's 30-something. And this is his. And directing, like, I think he directed a bunch of West Wings and he's directed like a bunch of Sorkin stuff, I think. Or he's been in it. Been in a lot of Sorkin. Amy Madigan, yes. For sure. Wow. Right? Yeah. Gabby Hoffman, no. No. Iowa. Hmm. Is there anything else in the conversation? Great time for Iowa. Late 80s Iowa. Like, is there a Kirk Ferentz game that is basically- I was going to say Iowa's crucial role in the passage. Did Steve Alford make an Iowa run? Iowa's kind of in the mix of a lot of stuff. I can't even think of a better moment in Iowa history. It had already grabbed the reins as one of, like, the key states and presidential process. Sure. It's hard to top literally being a stand-in for heaven. Yeah. That's true. Stuff to top. That's true. Iowa. Yeah. 100%. Baseball. Baseball. This might have been the apex mountain for baseball. This movie in particular or the 80s? This is the end of the 80s. Great baseball movie decade. We've had just a slew of awesome baseball movies cresting with this. The natural, bold, or I'm in field of dreams all the time. The 86 World Series, which was, like, one of the four or five most iconic World Series in the history of the sport. Then you had an 88. You had the twins. Oh, God. Puck it. And that whole thing. Yeah. And the small town. Wait, small town baseball isn't dead. And you had all that. Leading toward this movie came out before the Earthquake series. Yeah. Which was actually, like, a bummer baseball moment. But that 89, like, just a lot of good stuff happening. Steroids aren't involved yet. Yeah. Consico and McGuire, they're definitely not on steroids. We figured out how to— We didn't know. We figured out how to successfully— These guys look like they're in Pacific Rim. We're like, that's normal. Bash Brothers, of course. Cleaned up cocaine. Figured out how to successfully integrate people other than white people playing baseball. That was good. I don't know. Just making the case. What about Shoeless Joe in terms of him being a sympathetic figure? Well, because Eight Men Out and this back-to-back. Eight Men Out, another good baseball movie. Yeah. Great baseball movie. David Strathairn. I mean, it's not wrong or unreasonable to say that most people now— I mean, 1919 was a long time ago. Most people now, what they know about Shoeless Joe and the Black Sox is from this movie. And Eight Men Out. And Eight Men Out. Not from, oh, well, my understanding of when the baseball first had a commissioner is actually because Judge Landis had to rule. You know, that's not what people think about. By the way, Eight Men Out for the people out there who still read. Anybody still read out there? I read. People read books? Craig, your generation read books? Not really. Yeah. They just watch Forgetting Sir Marshall. The Eight Men Out book is really good. It is kind of a staple. If you like reading sports books, it has to be on the list. Then it lays out everything that happened and how unfair a couple of the things were. He's a tragic figure. With the Saul Rubinick, they knew a word. I think it goes to Eva Braun in the PTA meeting. Beulah? Yeah. That's good. I'm good with that. It's not Amy Madigan? Oh. Are we sure? Do you have some notes on Amy Madigan you're sure?
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