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Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables

Titanic 1997

With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan · 15 March 2022 · 28,788 feet

The claim

84:02 – 87:39

… off. Wait, the necklace was real? The necklace was real. Oh, wow. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. All right, one more break and then we'll finish. Okay, Apex Mountain. I think it has to be yes for Leo. Really? He's the biggest star in the world after this movie. I don't see how this isn't... You could argue the other choice would be 06 where he's Blood Diamond and The Departed in the same year and kind of becomes the guy officially. But man, did he ever have more juice than he had after Titanic when he becomes the biggest star in the world? Like what movie is he not making? You know what the only problem …

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The actual necklace used in this movie, which was $2.2 million. It was auctioned off. Wait, the necklace was real? The necklace was real. Oh, wow. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. All right, one more break and then we'll finish. Okay, Apex Mountain. I think it has to be yes for Leo. Really? He's the biggest star in the world after this movie. I don't see how this isn't... You could argue the other choice would be 06 where he's Blood Diamond and The Departed in the same year and kind of becomes the guy officially. But man, did he ever have more juice than he had after Titanic when he becomes the biggest star in the world? Like what movie is he not making? You know what the only problem with making this his Apex Mountain? Is I don't think that when you say Leonardo DiCaprio right now that people go to the guy from Titanic. Look how amazing that is. Because we thought that's who he was going to be. Yeah. After the movie was so big, it felt like it was going to swallow him up. I would just have a... If you're saying Apex Mountain, that means... So give me a better Apex Mountain. Probably The Departed. So that was... We said in 06, that's the other candidate. Those two moved Blood Diamond, Departed at the same time. Probably did. I would probably say The Departed. I would probably say The Departed. Winslet, probably not. I feel like mid-2000s when she has that run with... When she was popping with... She became like... She's becoming the new Meryl Streep at some point there in the mid-2000s. Does she do The Reader? Wins an Oscar in 2008. Yeah, The Reader. Yeah. She's in a whole bunch of good ones. James Cameron has to be yes. Yeah, although he did beat this. I get it. But this is... You're now... Like, critical success, financial success. Yeah. The movies becomes gone with the wind. Right. You're not top of that. Billy Zane, yes. Characters named Fabrizio. I'm going to give you this or I'm going to give you Godfather 1, the guy who blew up Apollonia's car and left Michael Corley in a window. I'm going with that guy. That guy's probably... You're famous Fabrizio. Right. Expensive bad buzz movies. I think this beats The Godfather. It would have to. And it hasn't been done since that I can remember. I think about movies that were... Not like this. Not like this, yeah. Heroes from Wisconsin? Give me another one. I don't know. I'd go with Jack. Icebergs, yes. Picasso, probably not. Disaster movies, yes. Disaster movies, for sure. There's been some great disaster movies, but this is the best one of them all. Yeah. Picky Nits. We already talked about Kathy Bates' character, the unsinkable Molly Brown. True. She's happily lending Jack a tuxedo? This guy from the bottom of the boat that is hanging out with... She gets him. Okay. She gets him. She like... Molly Brown wasn't... She wasn't born into money. She gets him. Tuxedo fits perfectly? That's a problem in every movie. They always go, hey, you're just about my son's size. Like, you're just about my husband's size. That's not how sizes work. The party below deck. So all these people are hanging out. Here's what apparently the poor people do in 1912. Sure. Square dancing. Arm wrestling. Yeah. And they drink dark pints of beer. Guinness. It came from Ireland. It's a lot of... It's just like that loud. And that's it. That's all they do. 1912. This is it. That's a party in 1912. But this is my thing about that.

97:34 – 100:22

… I'm sure Leo could have figured out Dirk Diggler. Oh, he could have figured it out. And I'll tell you one thing. I think that Dirk Diggler is Wahlberg's Apex Mountain. I think you're right. Yeah. Although he got nominated for The Departed, which was... And with Leo, everything comes full circle. I think Dirk Diggler says, I don't think it was for Leo. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie that's not the necklace? So, I thought about this one as much as I thought about anything else. And do you know what I want? I want the nickel-plated 45, that cow. That's a great one. That the Lovejoy …

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And he was kind of like, it kind of worked out for the best. Leo did Titanic. That was great for him. And Wahlberg probably was the better Dirk Diggler. I'm sure Leo could have figured out Dirk Diggler. Oh, he could have figured it out. And I'll tell you one thing. I think that Dirk Diggler is Wahlberg's Apex Mountain. I think you're right. Yeah. Although he got nominated for The Departed, which was... And with Leo, everything comes full circle. I think Dirk Diggler says, I don't think it was for Leo. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie that's not the necklace? So, I thought about this one as much as I thought about anything else. And do you know what I want? I want the nickel-plated 45, that cow. That's a great one. That the Lovejoy guy had and that he gave the cow. I want... That was a beautiful gun. I would want the nickel-plated 45 that Lovejoy had or whatever it was. It might have been a nine, but I think it was a 45. It's a great one. I would want the Titanic ticket that Leo wins in the poker game. Oh, that's a good one, too. That would be a good one to frame it, put it up there. Or I'd want the eight-frame photos of Rose that she put next to her bed as she slept of herself. I want my personal things. No pictures of my granddaughter. It's all of this stuff. Just me. Yep. Just me. Me and only me. Who won the movie? Leonardo DiCaprio. I agree. It's weird to say James Cameron didn't win the movie, but I think Leo wins the movie. I think Leonardo... He becomes the biggest star of the last 25 years. I think he has to win. Yeah. All right. Before we go, we're going to bring in producer Craig because he's outraged by the... He called it Rose Slander. I call it Rose Facts. I don't know where you come up with the word slander when all we did was spit facts for 10 minutes. Go ahead, Craig. I'm fired up. I turned on the mic for this, so it's not even my Zoom audio. This is going to sound clear for people. You guys got through your obligatory praise of the movie, and then you got to what you really wanted. Just to shit on these mini character holes, which are baseless. It's senseless slander. So I've crafted a rebuttal for each of your Rose demerits. Okay. Let's hear it. Okay. Condemning her for cheating. Cheating. Air quotes. She cheats on the abusive, selfish, misogynist asshole of a fiance who she's practically been arranged to marry. Fair. I feel like that's all right. Fair. Okay. Fair. Her not immediately defending Jack after he saves her. Well, first of all, I feel like her whole life, she's been told, stay quiet, be civilized, don't defend this kid. Also, maybe she couldn't think of a quick cover up on her toes of why she was attempting to commit suicide. She couldn't really think of an excuse real quick. No, this one doesn't work as well. She let Jack was about to be handcuffed and taken down to the fifth floor of the boat.

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What the board says

This film IS their apex
Leonardo DiCaprio28,760 ftThe highest point of the career. Carries 88 of 100 of this film.
Kate Winslet26,590 ftThe highest point of the career. Carries 85 of 100 of this film.
Their apex is elsewhere
Kathy Bates23,140 ftDolores Claiborne, 1995, by 4,952 feet.
Bill Paxton21,720 ftFrailty, 2002, by 3,770 feet.

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