Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
25:26 – 28:12… what they became. Brendan Fraser had a really good career and was in some big movies and really up until The Affair, which we can talk about much later. Apex Mountains. He's in the career of The Affair. His career was great. Cole Hauser. We always liked him. He was always popping up and he belatedly had it. And Battencough, I wrote this in 2011. I was thinking, I'm watching this movie going, what the hell happened? I was right there. Yeah. Why them and not me? What did I do wrong? And I don't really know the answer because I really liked him. I love the Rip Van Kelt character and I don't really know what …
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And even if Chris O'Donnell, if he couldn't keep it, he was still an A-list star for six years there. Affleck and Damon became what they became. Brendan Fraser had a really good career and was in some big movies and really up until The Affair, which we can talk about much later. Apex Mountains. He's in the career of The Affair. His career was great. Cole Hauser. We always liked him. He was always popping up and he belatedly had it. And Battencough, I wrote this in 2011. I was thinking, I'm watching this movie going, what the hell happened? I was right there. Yeah. Why them and not me? What did I do wrong? And I don't really know the answer because I really liked him. I love the Rip Van Kelt character and I don't really know what happened. He was also in Buffy the same year. Like being in School Ties and Buffy at the same time. That was also 92. Right. Yeah. I mean, it is a puzzler on a rewatch. I was going to, that was one of my questions to ask you, Bill, is like why he didn't become more famous and have like a sustained top tier, look at this guy's handsome face career. I don't know. It was a glut. Like I feel the same way about Josh Hamilton. We did kicking and screaming and Josh Hamilton's fantastic and kicking and screaming. He's another one that, you know, Ethan Hawke is in the middle of this too. I just think there were a lot of, for whatever reason, just a lot of competition at the same time. I mean, even in the mid nineties, like the Jon Hamm, Vince Vaughn, Jon Favreau, all those guys show up too. So maybe that's it. Maybe just sometimes you don't get that one part, but he's in higher learning in 95 and then basically moves into like a TV version. I really liked him. I thought he was good in this movie. I love him. I feel like that's the Robert Sean Leonard role too. Like, I feel like he was really competing with him. Like that. And like Robert Sean Leonard had been in this movie. That's who he would have been. And like Robert Sean Leonard has just a tiny bit more gravitas. And I feel like maybe that's also that, that hurt his trajectory. But he's another one that I don't, I know he was on house. I know he had a good career, but he seemed like he was going to be one of the major actors we had after dead poets. He's another one I would bet on. So you just never know. Roger, this movie, $18 million budget made 14.7 million. Did not make its movie back, but I guarantee it made its movie back on DVDs, VHS, cable. This movie has been on cable for 30 years straight. It is always on. There's never a moment where it's not on. I think it's on HBO Max right now. Roger Ebert. Excited to see how Discovery markets it soon. Yeah, right. Roger Ebert, three stars. Called it surprisingly effective. Perceptive. Unforgiving. It's not simply about anti-Semitism, but also about the way that bigotry can do harm by inspiring dishonesty. Raj love story. Siskel, when they did this on the TV show, Siskel recalled all the anti-Semitic prejudice
41:03 – 43:51… Go ahead. Get right. Get right. Oh, Mallory, out of all the naked shower fights you've seen, is this your favorite? Boy, you know, I was thinking of this for Apex Mountain. We have Eastern Promises with Viggo Mortensen. I think Eastern Promises is still top of the list. That's difficult to beat, you know? I don't know how they edited out the dicks. Yeah, exactly. How do they never have a dick? The Cowboys gave Eastern Promises is, you know, that's a special thing. So I think that that has to remain in the top spot. One of the weirdest things about the shower fight is, like, they really set it up, like, from …
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Damn it. Come on. Come on. I don't want to fight him. I don't want to fight him. Come on. Get right. Go ahead. Get right. Get right. Oh, Mallory, out of all the naked shower fights you've seen, is this your favorite? Boy, you know, I was thinking of this for Apex Mountain. We have Eastern Promises with Viggo Mortensen. I think Eastern Promises is still top of the list. That's difficult to beat, you know? I don't know how they edited out the dicks. Yeah, exactly. How do they never have a dick? The Cowboys gave Eastern Promises is, you know, that's a special thing. So I think that that has to remain in the top spot. One of the weirdest things about the shower fight is, like, they really set it up, like, from the jump, when Chris O'Donnell asked Brendan Fraser, do you shower at morning or at night? Like, in the very beginning of the movie? It's like, they're trying to explain why they're going to have a naked shower fight after the big win in the future. It's like, so it's so important to the movie. It's very bizarre. Bizarre. Very bizarre. Goes right into, he goes back to his room, starts arguing with Chris O'Donnell about why he didn't tell him he was Jewish. Great scene. Then a little bit later, we get the swastika sign scene in The Cowards, which is, I think, the most memorable moment of this movie. Just, Fraser's great in that scene. I like how it's filmed. I like when all the lights go on. That, this stretch from the St. Luke's win all the way through to The Cowards is, you're just not turning the channel. You're just not. Yeah. It's really, really strong 20 minutes. I have two more. I got the big powwow. Yep. Cole Hauser's Jack Connors. I admit, you know, I'm an anti-Semite. I cracked you jokes. I think they're greedy, pushy. You want to know something else, guys? David Green's really the first one I've ever met up close. What's your point, Connors? Who's a good guy? I wouldn't cheat. Which means you think Dylan did. Yeah, I think Dylan cheated. That makes two of us. Fucking Miguel. Cole Hauser, he's got that, and then he's got that give Will Hunting the car for his birthday. He's like, it's a good engine. It's a good engine. Those were like his two greatest movie moments. And then Magoo, who just, he's got those glasses on. And apparently the actor, Anthony Rapp, in real life said that he couldn't see out of the glasses. So when he's acting, he doesn't even know where anybody is. And he does the, I can't believe this. You want to dub Dylan for a dirty tune? And then they do the vote, and Frasier comes in. All right, I'll honor your traditions. All right. I'll honor your traditions.
68:43 – 71:30… but it's 1955. I get it. Amy Locaine. Wow. She's currently in prison. She had a DUI manslaughter in 2010 and is in prison right now. We'll get into her at Apex Mountain. The St. Luke's Unis? Just awful. Yeah. What the hell is going on? Those look like XFL. They were like purple and like there's just... It's 1955. 55. I just don't think there's a lot of thought put in this. More What's Age the Worst. HBO Max, when you click on the movie, you go search for School Ties and it pops up with a play it and it's got like kind of their version of the poster. And Affleck is one of the four people on the poster. …
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Kind of jarring to hear like Matt Damon just dropped the N-word during this movie, but it's 1955. I get it. Amy Locaine. Wow. She's currently in prison. She had a DUI manslaughter in 2010 and is in prison right now. We'll get into her at Apex Mountain. The St. Luke's Unis? Just awful. Yeah. What the hell is going on? Those look like XFL. They were like purple and like there's just... It's 1955. 55. I just don't think there's a lot of thought put in this. More What's Age the Worst. HBO Max, when you click on the movie, you go search for School Ties and it pops up with a play it and it's got like kind of their version of the poster. And Affleck is one of the four people on the poster. That's fucking bullshit. Affleck is not one of the four biggest stars of this movie. I see you, HBO Max. Seriously. I agree with that. This is why you're having problems right now because you're promoting Ben Affleck as one of the four stars of School Ties. Come on. Get your shit together, HBO Max. You're great service. More What's Age the Worst. Could they have just dumped the first 10 minutes of this movie and we're fine? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Could it just start off with him getting dropped off at the boarding school and we're off? He's getting off the bus and we're good? I actually thought it also didn't completely make sense that like he didn't have other Jewish people in his life back home. Like it was sort of, it also like made it a little bit weirder that it's like he wasn't leaving like a safe space to go somewhere else. Like maybe it made him well equipped to deal with it, but it was just kind of confusing as to why he didn't have like a community that we were aware of or like people. Well, but I don't agree with that because I think while he has the confrontation with the biker gang, his teammates are a support, but they're a support network. Right. Like Bayer is totally accepting of who he is and he's getting to, you know, he's living his life openly like without any hesitation. He doesn't have a version in Scranton of the speech that he gets from the coach on the drive up. Like, do you have any dietary restrictions? Turnips. Okay. Don't tell anyone anything about who you are. Like there's nothing like that down there. And then you also have the very emotional, like really sweet farewell with his dad. And I, I like, I guess you could start there, but I think you need to see his teammates in Scranton supporting him because that's a point of contrast. I guess also the fight establishes that he fights. So you're just like, yeah, this guy will brawl. So it's not as surprising, but I agree. A quarterback using his throwing hand though to get into an alley brawl. Although our podcast is going to be longer than it. Uh, Andrew Lowry, who plays McGivern, his IMDb where he's in Buffy the same year, school ties. And then he's in color of night, a big Bruce Willis erotic thriller movie after basic instinct. Jane March as the lead actress. And Andrew Lowry is her brother. And I think it was a big role for him.
90:28 – 94:24… seems like a nice guy. I also want to note, he lives in Bedford, New York, where Matt Damon per page six just bought a home. So they live in the same place. Apex Mountain. Brendan Fraser, no. What do you think is his Apex Mountain? I mean, he led The Mummy. That movie made like $300 million. Love Rachel Weisz. For sure. She's the best. Oh my God. She's one of my all time. Me too. Love her. Matt Damon, no. Randall Battencough. I'm going to say yes, because he had Buffy the same year. Howser Affleck, all those other guys, though. Naked Shower Fights. So we say Eastern Promises. Fair. Casual anti-Semitism …
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their leather quiver and just shooting some arrows in their backyard might not be the most fun person to be around, but he seems like a nice guy. I also want to note, he lives in Bedford, New York, where Matt Damon per page six just bought a home. So they live in the same place. Apex Mountain. Brendan Fraser, no. What do you think is his Apex Mountain? I mean, he led The Mummy. That movie made like $300 million. Love Rachel Weisz. For sure. She's the best. Oh my God. She's one of my all time. Me too. Love her. Matt Damon, no. Randall Battencough. I'm going to say yes, because he had Buffy the same year. Howser Affleck, all those other guys, though. Naked Shower Fights. So we say Eastern Promises. Fair. Casual anti-Semitism movies. Casual? I think it's pretty high up there. You guys ever see Swing Kids? Those are the two that I really think of that go together. And also Robert Sean Leonard is in that one. So that's sort of why I think I mentioned him before. Amy Locaine. It's both Apex Mountain and Nadir Valley for her. Because this movie comes out and then she gets fired from Melrose Place and then nothing happens to her career. Right. And then pretty much fizzles out and then ends up being in jail. And it's not great. What about New England boarding school movies? Dead Poets? Dead Poets, yeah. That's got to be number one. Still feel like Dead Poets. Yeah. Any other Apex Mountains? French Class? Yeah. I don't think so. Best Race Horse Name. Skip Steiner? Who? What do you have, Mel? Cocos' sister. That's good. That's good. I like that. Pickin' Nets. How did Dylan's brother come to the St. Luke's game if he was also playing football for Harvard? Same day. It's football season. He didn't have a game? They should have had the game on Friday night, right? Like, that's when they do high school football. They had no lights back then. No, they had no lights back then. You couldn't do it. Yeah. That's a great question. Maybe they had a bye. Sketchy. Once again, the sports movie coordinator could have helped. They had been asked. How did they get Cleary's car inside the dorm? That was my number one. It's impossible. You can't even fucking get a couch in the dorm. To get it in at all, ridiculous. But that quickly, again, this is like, he starts going to walk and then just stops and turns around. And it didn't appear that they broke any windows or doors. Maybe if the movie is like remastered in 8K one day, we'll be able to see some shards of glass in the back and learn some great truth here. But confounding. I totally agree. Mention 42 is the QB number and then the 120-yard pass. What else do you have, Juliet? When Brendan Fraser inexplicably is allowed into the pool to confront Sally, which literally makes no sense, that is my first knit. But my second knit is that I was incredibly distracted to how the beads of water on her face did not move. Like, they were just stationary on her cheeks. And I was like, how many times did they film this scene? They had to, like, you know, keep reapplying the water. It was so weird. But I think all the logistics of boarding school, I'm like, okay, so Lysad at 10, but he's able to go out for a date. Like, how does this work? Yeah, it doesn't work that way. I'll tell you that much. And also, I just don't think a man in 1955 can just stroll into swim practice. But call me crazy. The swim practice one's a good one. I thought, I agree with Mal, there should have been the hint of at least more sex in this movie. I don't think everybody was just... A Playboy magazine or even? I don't think first base was the only base she got to in 1955. Barely first base. First base, no tongue. I mean, so lame. Yeah, the movie needed sex. I have another picking nit.
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