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...And Justice for All 1979

With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey and Wesley Morris · 21 July 2023 · 23,402 feet

The claim

94:04 – 99:02

… And a lot of the time it's not. Yeah. And he revisited that theme a couple of times in his career. Homicide, life on the street. Yep. There you go. Yep. Apex Mountain. Pacino? I think Godfather 2 for Pacino. Apex Mountain. Still. I won't argue that. Jack Warden. It's somewhere around here and heaven can wait. I think right after Shampoo. Yeah. Yeah. It's somewhere in the 76 to the 7th image. Maybe he's in Muppet State Manhattan. He's not in the Muppet movie. So I was going to say, what else does he have going on? I think it's Muppet. Yeah. Yeah. Tambor is on this and Three's Company and getting spun off …

The whole segment, as transcribed

Every trial is a unique personal drama with different motivations, circumstances. We want the law, the verdict to be absolute. And a lot of the time it's not. Yeah. And he revisited that theme a couple of times in his career. Homicide, life on the street. Yep. There you go. Yep. Apex Mountain. Pacino? I think Godfather 2 for Pacino. Apex Mountain. Still. I won't argue that. Jack Warden. It's somewhere around here and heaven can wait. I think right after Shampoo. Yeah. Yeah. It's somewhere in the 76 to the 7th image. Maybe he's in Muppet State Manhattan. He's not in the Muppet movie. So I was going to say, what else does he have going on? I think it's Muppet. Yeah. Yeah. Tambor is on this and Three's Company and getting spun off into the Ropers at the same time. So shit's happening for him, but probably his Arrested Development slash. What was the Amazon show he was on? Transparent. Yeah. That didn't end great. Christine Lottie. He was great. That's one of the great TV performances. Christine Lottie? What's her Apex Mountain? Definitely Chicago Hope. Chicago Hope, right? Yeah. Five years as the star of Chicago Hope. What do you got for Jewison in the heat of the night? Apex Mountain? Moonstruck? Well. I mean, a lot had happened by then. So much. God. I think that's been his most enduring movie. Moonstruck? Like for people like my daughter's age. I feel like Moonstruck, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the one that's had the best legs. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. That's like how Legally Blonde, some of these other movies, they just kind of keep going. But in the heat of the night is a movie that will never die. I think that's the end. It's a legendary movie. Courtroom meltdowns? It's this or Jessup? Oh, rip off your head and piss on your dead skull. You fucked with the wrong Marine. Yeah. Courtroom meltdowns. This is pretty big. I think this is the most cited. All you did was weaken a country today, Phetasy. I love A Few Good Men so much. Baltimore movies. Apex Mountain. Oh. Baltimore movies. I think it's Diner. Diner? I think it's Diner. Yeah. All right. Diner, Tin Men. I'm trying to think what's something more recent. More recent? Just like in the last 30 years. Is there a non-Barry Levinson Baltimore movie? That's almost its own Apex Mountain. I mean. Best racehorse name? Justice for all? Sure. Uh. What about Fleming's photos? That's good. Picky Nits. Why didn't they show Arthur punching Fleming? Seems like just a natural scene to have in the movie. But then it starts out, it kind of, I don't know, you just- You'd rather have him in jail. You'd just rather have him in jail. You'd just rather have him in jail. I do like when a movie doesn't feel like they have to show every single critical character moment. Why weren't any black people working in Baltimore in 1979? Well, there are people all over the courthouse. There are just no lawyers, which makes a kind of sense to me. And in all the movies that we've been talking about, no black lawyers. Right. I believe that. I totally believe that. Alfre Woodard, of course, I don't know if you guys got into the black judge trope. We did. We talked about primal fear. We didn't fully go into the research I did on this, which was the black judges in America right now are 5.5%, but it feels like in movies, it's like 70%. Yeah. That's because it's easier to give them- It's the one way to slide the party. They're physically present, but don't have to say anything except overruled or sustained the whole time. Easy counselor. Yeah. Yeah. And you get to be, you basically get to be a housekeeper, but you get to sit in a chair- You've been warned. You're on thin ice, counselor. Right. In this courtroom, I'm the law. Y'all want some sass, just hire a black judge. You don't have to let her do anything. Can I see you in my private chambers, please? Presumed innocent, black judge. Yep. A few good men, black judge. Primal fear, black judge. What else? Oh, there's like 20 of them. What's the movie that we didn't even talk about? From the Hip with Judd Nelson? I mean, it's endemic. It's at least two-thirds of the movies. Morgan Freeman in Bonfire of the Vanities. Yeah. Good one. You know, I mean- It was always their way to make it a pretend it's a more diverse cast. It is basically giving the most important job to the least important genre of actor, according to Hollywood. Damn. I'm searching black judges in movies really quick because I feel like there's some other ones we left out. This would be a great listicle. We should publish this in the lawyer. I mean, I feel like you probably- Everybody except maybe- Who hasn't played- Jen Dell's never played a judge. He's played lawyers. He's played lawyers multiple times, right? Yeah. Yeah. No judges. No. I mean, because a judge is a thankless job. Like, Morgan Freeman's not playing a judge now. He's playing a judge in 1990.

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What the board says

Their apex is elsewhere
Al Pacino26,470 ftThe Godfather Part II, 1974, by 6,355 feet.
Jack Warden19,290 ftUsed Cars, 1980, by 1,267 feet.
Craig T. Nelson20,330 ftAll the Right Moves, 1983, by 2,493 feet.

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