Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
8:49 – 11:35… I like War of the Worlds. Oh, in their careers. So this is when they had the least juice in their career? Or just the worst movie they've done? Yeah. Reverse Apex Mountain. Yeah. Cruz in the… It's Nadier Mountain. It's what Cruz was doing as he was trying to revamp Mission Impossible with Macquarie and then still making kind of like Oblivion, Edge of Tomorrow's good. But don't you feel like Oprah's sofa has to be involved in this? Yeah, I guess it's like… That was when people were kind of like, wait, is Cruz nuts? And then Spielberg stops working with him then? Yeah. I think it's right around there for him. …
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Do we have to pick movies that we have done rewatchables for? No, I would say no rewatchables. Because we wouldn't do these. Although we did. So Cruz, I think it's Oprah's sofa in War of the Worlds. Even though I like War of the Worlds. Oh, in their careers. So this is when they had the least juice in their career? Or just the worst movie they've done? Yeah. Reverse Apex Mountain. Yeah. Cruz in the… It's Nadier Mountain. It's what Cruz was doing as he was trying to revamp Mission Impossible with Macquarie and then still making kind of like Oblivion, Edge of Tomorrow's good. But don't you feel like Oprah's sofa has to be involved in this? Yeah, I guess it's like… That was when people were kind of like, wait, is Cruz nuts? And then Spielberg stops working with him then? Yeah. I think it's right around there for him. For De Niro, it's a little tougher to figure out De Niro. I went through his IMDb. In 2000, he had this great 70s run. 80s, up and down, and then Rally's back, Midnight Run. And then 90s, he's killing it. He's making a million movies. But then in 2000, he just started taking paychecks. And he did Rocky and Bullwinkle. And I think that's Nadier Mountain for him. I feel like in the 2010s, he kind of starts flirting with like the Dirty Grandpa era where he's just doing really cheesy comedies. Yeah, he's just available. Right around 99, 2000, him and Pacino, I think, were available. I dare say that for some reason the name is escaping me, but the gangster movie he made for Barry Levinson last year that was apparently- Oh, Alto Nights. That was- That's my- Dirty Grandpa is a movie with Robert De Niro and Zac Efron as the two leads. I mean, come on. Yeah. 2016. Pacino, it's definitely author-author. That was in the early 80s. It bombed. And it got people going, wait, I thought Pacino was the best actor we had. What the hell's going on? And he takes like five years off after that, right? And it starts going sideways. Denzel was the toughest one. Because even if you look at the IMDB stuff for Denzel, he doesn't really have a stinker. So I'd have to go with Virtuosity, a movie that I love. Me too. That we probably will do on Rewatchables. But he is given VD by John Lithgow and people didn't really like that movie and they're like, Denzel, what are you doing? Is that Ricochet or Virtuosity? Virtu- Oh, maybe that's Ricochet. Ricochet is like an absolute oozing sore of a movie that I love. I'm getting my one word Denzel movies. Like, Ricochet is insane. Ricochet is the one with Lithgow or- So Virtuosity is the one with Russell Crowe? Yes. That's the one. Yeah. I got my Denzel's mixed up. I personally don't think Denzel has a nadir now. What about out of time deja vu? I mean, I revere out of time. There you go. Can't do it. So I don't know. Maybe he just never had a nadir. Well, because didn't you say he's one of the only guys who has a hit in every decade for four decades? Yeah. And he really doesn't have stinkers. It's not like- Like Sly Stallone is the other one. Sly, you could pick multiple nadirs, but it's probably Stop or My Mom will Shoot. It's like early 90s. He'd have Stop, My Mom will Shoot an Oscar back to back. The point is, we would never do these on the rewatch.
24:41 – 27:48… of the medium. You guys are the greatest. Thanks, Andy. That's really nice. I did have a nitpick. He's like, that's it. Of course, he had a nitpick. With Apex Mountain of Dinner Scene Assassinations, which we talked about on Sicario. We said Alejandro going in and murdering the guy. We said that was the best. And he was like, what about Michael killing Salazzo and McCluskey? He had the lead up. I don't want him coming to the bathroom with just his cock in his hands. Comenza showing him the gun. That has to be Apex Mountain. Louis Restaurant. I agree Sicario's up there, but how could it not be the …
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I think one of the things that really bothers me is when you don't have the tools to do it. And then you come out and you're like, look, I look great. Andy says, best podcast in the history of the medium. You guys are the greatest. Thanks, Andy. That's really nice. I did have a nitpick. He's like, that's it. Of course, he had a nitpick. With Apex Mountain of Dinner Scene Assassinations, which we talked about on Sicario. We said Alejandro going in and murdering the guy. We said that was the best. And he was like, what about Michael killing Salazzo and McCluskey? He had the lead up. I don't want him coming to the bathroom with just his cock in his hands. Comenza showing him the gun. That has to be Apex Mountain. Louis Restaurant. I agree Sicario's up there, but how could it not be the godfather? He's right. Both acts of vengeance. Godfather is just a bigger, more important movie. Godfather wins. Okay. I think there's also just more, there's actually more drama in that Godfather scene. There's more buildup and suspense. I'm going to go, I'm going to zag. I didn't see Michael Corleone killing anyone's kids. You know? So until he gets there, until he has like Salazzo's kids in front of him, you're not seeing Alejandro. Well, there's some backstory with Godfather where they were going to like, they wanted to replace Pacino and they shot that scene. And that was the scene that saved him from getting fired from. Oh, really? Big shot Rob Evans and the Godfather. So I don't know. Fair points. Uh, oh, this is a nice email from Keith W. In Portland, Oregon. One of your favorite places. Home of Chuck Klosterman. The beauty of being an active member of this rewatchables club is the shared shorthand. We should stop asking what item we want to have and start asking what item would identify as a fellow fanatic of our favorite movie. Updated category. The secret handshake. What piece of memorability would only a rewatchables OG recognize? Oh, yeah. That's good. Um, the goal is to identify a prop meaningless to the masses, but a tell for somebody who's rewatched the movie too much. A few secret handshake examples. Heat. A copy of Stretch Fractures in Titanium. Oh, that's good. Vision Quest. Loud and Swain's Red A-Sex Wrestling High Tops, which we talked about on that pod for five solid minutes. Sicario, the blue and pink cartel money bands. Yes. Or the Indian Creek Sigs. Talk amongst yourselves. It's less about the resale value of the object, more about the if you know, you know badge of honor. That's a really good one. It's a really good one. I almost feel like we changed the memorabilia category. And if the movie doesn't have it, we just don't even do it. Yeah. Just recently, I would love Jerry's, like, Salesman of the Month picture that's behind Jerry in Fargo. So, I should do that where I'm, like, CR month picture of myself above my head. Well, for Sicario, what was the bar when Emily Blunt meets Bernthal? Oh, it's like, it's not Wild Bills. It's something. Wild something. It's like something pony or something like that. Yeah, you get, like, the matches from that. Sure. I like the deep cut memorabilia, I think, is a good idea. Yeah, the secret handshake's good. Yeah, that's good. Good email. Tyler Davis. Watched to live and die in LA last night. And it's a CR special if I've ever seen one. Prince is complimentary.
69:14 – 73:31… and stuff yeah that would be good but is there another category that should be in there I think those are the basics no those are the big ones I mean I think Apex Mountain's so open for debate about what it is kind of like it's hard to put it we didn't have bargain yeah it would be too confusing because I was thinking could villain be in there but oh Hans Gruber villain you could do Apex Mountain by year like who who has 1984 who has 1985 who has 1986 I was thinking because we we did we have nice guys coming and Gosling was in that and La La Land same year that my case for that they should name for the Oscars …
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I think we should just we should actually really put more time into this and then like announce it on some special pod and have like plaques and stuff yeah that would be good but is there another category that should be in there I think those are the basics no those are the big ones I mean I think Apex Mountain's so open for debate about what it is kind of like it's hard to put it we didn't have bargain yeah it would be too confusing because I was thinking could villain be in there but oh Hans Gruber villain you could do Apex Mountain by year like who who has 1984 who has 1985 who has 1986 I was thinking because we we did we have nice guys coming and Gosling was in that and La La Land same year that my case for that they should name for the Oscars an MVP of the year oh yeah either somebody that just completely the performance was so unbelievable they owned the year or somebody that I would love to go back through I mean there's like the Spielberg there's a couple Spielberg years where he does two movies in the same year yeah and stuff that's the thing the MVP can be director actor actress cinematographer even yeah I mean we talked about Carrie in 94 doing Dumb and Dumber Carrie wins The Mask and Ace Ventura it's like unanimous vote almost like and if you go back earlier to like the 70s and 80s there are times when people put up like 3-4 movies that are pretty good you know like Redford, Hoffman De Niro years didn't Soderbergh get nominated for best director for two different movies in the same year? yeah Traffic and Aaron Brockovich right? I mean that's no wait yeah that was it right? yeah yeah Tom K in Tucson he wants us to flirt with an Unwatchables month and he mentioned we have to do Gigli the Ben Affleck anti-classic is that a is that a rock bottom? the opposite of Apex Mountain? Gigli? that's his Nadir Mountain he mentions how Affleck's critical to the pod which is true we love Affleck the Hangover's Justin Bartho submits a nuclear holocaust of a Rain Man impression that his career somehow survived two big name cameos in the film including Al Pacino and then he suggested Unwatchables Month Gigli Rocky 5 Battlefield Earth Freddy Got Fingered and Catwoman we get a lot of requests for Catwoman because it's really truly one of the worst movies ever made is that the Halle Berry one? yeah there's a crazy basketball scene in that movie that's like I can't even describe it I'm sure Van has some thoughts we've kind of lost the art of making real stinkers because now they're more like superhero movies or sci-fi movies that you're watching but usually superhero movies where I'm like I can't believe they let this like they put this out well it's funny because right now there kind of is one of those in The Bride yeah but there are a bunch of people who think The Bride's awesome yeah or The Bride is like a brave step you know yeah I like the Bride Zaggers yeah they're like you guys didn't understand like we had cats I guess oh yeah the Taylor Swift cats yeah yeah Drew S writes what do you think about adding a flex category for the Ted Levine Buffalo Bill Award for performance so good and distinct it damaged the actor's career retroactive winners include Billy Zabkin and Karate Kid Patrick Bergen and Sleeping With The Enemy and even though Chris Maloney and J.K. Simmons had strong careers you can never unwatch their characters in Oz Wayne Grow to me is the ultimate example yeah I don't even know I couldn't even see Wayne Grow again after he I mean I think he's even now leaning it like he did the Mulaney show where he just came out as Wayne Grow I mean it's like you just kind of this is a good flex category for if there's a movie where it's so clearly it's basically like are you going to be signing autographs at conventions for the next 30 years as this character yeah it's a typecast award I guess right kind of because it happens we see it in TV all the time it's like Jason Alexander was George but it's more disturbing right yeah it's like the performance was so distinct that you can't unsee the performance from the character but it's like Patrick Bergen is a good example he was a good actor but Sleeping With The Enemy you're just seeing him going Laura and he's just so crazy and evil you're like he actually has to be crazy and evil there's no way he's acting that's a really tough line to cross Wayne Grosz same thing Frank Nitty in The Untouchables I can't remember that actor's name but it's like the bad guy yeah the guy in the white suit I would just be like I'm going to the other side
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