Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
76:23 – 79:09… the earth. Big career. Was in Pee-wee's Big Adventure and the Burb and Batman Returns. Yeah. That's a chance. Darla, no longer with us. Will Darla come up in Apex Mountain? There's no question. Given that filmography? Yeah. No question. All right. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film. I'll save mine. Do you have one, CR? I honestly don't have a Butch's Girlfriend for this movie. All right. Do you have one, Mel? I have two candidates. You can have CRs. Do you? One of them I think will be covered in Picking Knits, which is more about like the nature of the FBI investigation and Crawford. So …
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Darla, yeah. Yeah. 17 years on the earth. Big career. Was in Pee-wee's Big Adventure and the Burb and Batman Returns. Yeah. That's a chance. Darla, no longer with us. Will Darla come up in Apex Mountain? There's no question. Given that filmography? Yeah. No question. All right. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film. I'll save mine. Do you have one, CR? I honestly don't have a Butch's Girlfriend for this movie. All right. Do you have one, Mel? I have two candidates. You can have CRs. Do you? One of them I think will be covered in Picking Knits, which is more about like the nature of the FBI investigation and Crawford. So I'll save that. I... Great movie. It's a classic. Love it. Glad we're talking about it tonight. The mystery box, like puzzle nature of the film is like a little, I think, comparatively clunky. Mel. Compared to the rest of the movie. Coming after Demi and Tom Harris. Look deep within yourself. There's a yourself storage in Baltimore. Your anagrams are showing. Hester Moffat, the rest of me, Lewis Friend, iron sulfite. You're not an anagram lady. No, I love an anagram. I love a riddle. I love a puzzle. But I think it either needs to be like more or less of the movie. Like Clarice is the only person who's tracking it, which is the point, right? That's there to like heighten the bond. So that part of it I like. But are the viewers at home tracking this stuff, do we think? Well, this is the best part about the movies. You can watch it and just be like, eh, sure. She's figuring this out. Or you can like go crazy and go online and be like, oh, so like in the beginning. Because like there, a lot of people online have pointed out that the view from the Duomo at the Belvedere. Yeah. And James lives in Belvedere, Ohio. It's like you find, like he's given her the clues the whole time. See, see CR just sneaking Trump in there a little bit. A lot of people online are pointing it out. Did you see that on Truthsleaf? So we're trying to keep it low, CR. Do you have a weak link? Just point of order. Is the weak link more like a performance or more like an issue with the story? This is your 280th what we watched. Well, because Mal just threw me for a loop because usually it's like, it's this actress who is a piece of shit and should never appear in a film. I hate her hair. Next category. Why don't we just remove her from Hollywood entirely? I'll do mine. What's that? I'll do mine and you can decide. So mine is also doubles as the Vincent Chase Award for are we sure this person was good at their job? Jack Crawford. Oh, yeah. That's what I had. This is mine too.
89:41 – 92:28… maybe? What? Yeah, and he posts these really incredible TikToks where he plays piano with his cat. They get millions of views. And that is Anthony Hopkins' Apex Mountain. This is Malzahn cat TikTok. That's how you know about this. Casting what ifs. We have some good ones here. Oh, man. So, Gene Hackman partnered with the film studio to adapt the novel, and he was going to direct and play Lecter or Crawford. And then his daughter read the book and was like, you're not fucking doing that. Would we have gotten horny Hackman for this? I can't tell. I thought that the story that I read was that he partnered with …
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Have you seen this? His webisodes. His webisodes, yeah. With his cat, who I want to... I think is named Sir Nipplo, maybe? What? Yeah, and he posts these really incredible TikToks where he plays piano with his cat. They get millions of views. And that is Anthony Hopkins' Apex Mountain. This is Malzahn cat TikTok. That's how you know about this. Casting what ifs. We have some good ones here. Oh, man. So, Gene Hackman partnered with the film studio to adapt the novel, and he was going to direct and play Lecter or Crawford. And then his daughter read the book and was like, you're not fucking doing that. Would we have gotten horny Hackman for this? I can't tell. I thought that the story that I read was that he partnered with the studio and that he was going to produce it and star as Crawford, and that he read Ted Talley's script, and he was like, this is pretty violent, which like... Yeah, did you read the book? Yeah, like, no. You optioned the book to do it. You were also in French Connection. You know, like... That's a good point. Yeah. Paul Verhoeven claimed that he turned it down and that he has a lot of regrets. I would like to see his version of this movie. It would have been hornier, I'll tell you that much. Probably more Migs. We could have, might have gotten the masturbatorium. Yeah. Demi really wanted Sean Connery for Lecter, and Connery turned him down. But the good news is we get to hear CR do Sean Connery as Lecter right now. I'm just putting you on the spot. I know you can do it, CR. I ate his fava beans with a nice Chianti. You did it on the last pod. It was pretty amazing. Did I? You did Connery, yeah. I don't remember anything that happened before COVID. So Demi wanted Michelle Pfeiffer because they worked together on Married to the Mob. And as people listening to the Rue Archibles know, she's my queen. And she got nervous about the subject matter and turned it down. And I'm upset. Michelle Pfeiffer as Clarice. Yes or no? No. Why? I do think it does what some people feared it would do. And it's something that, like, for example, in the book, Crawford and Clarice have a relationship. And that he's a married man, and they're having a relationship. And if that's the story that they were going to tell, having a more openly sexual actress like Michelle Pfeiffer might have made sense. But the whole point of Clarice is that she's, like, this closed system. You know, that she is working through the case, unencumbered by all that other stuff. So it just is a different movie. Counter. Have you seen her in Dangerous Minds? Okay. Touche. She taught a whole classroom how to read. Yeah. While wearing a leather jacket. It was amazing. Are you guys both out of Michelle Pfeiffer's Clarice? I'm more in on Jodie Foster. It's an incredible performance. Well, I'm always team Michelle Pfeiffer at all times. He also approached Meg Ryan, who turned it down because it was too gruesome.
100:39 – 107:33… then Lieutenant Boyle's body hanging from the cell is inspired by the work of painter Francis Bacon. I know he's excited. And then the final scene. He's dead. Apex Mountain. Final scene was filmed on North Bimini Island, Bahamas. That's where Lecter was. Okay. Apex Mountain. Yeah. Sean Demi? Would you go Philadelphia? It's got to be because he wins Best Director and this movie is a smash hit. But this is a better movie than Philadelphia, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's this. Hopkins, yes. Yes. Or the TikToks with the cat. One or the other. Or the father, apparently. Yeah. That's a great movie. Father's a good …
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Super creepy and weird. Honestly, can you imagine? So then Lieutenant Boyle's body hanging from the cell is inspired by the work of painter Francis Bacon. I know he's excited. And then the final scene. He's dead. Apex Mountain. Final scene was filmed on North Bimini Island, Bahamas. That's where Lecter was. Okay. Apex Mountain. Yeah. Sean Demi? Would you go Philadelphia? It's got to be because he wins Best Director and this movie is a smash hit. But this is a better movie than Philadelphia, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's this. Hopkins, yes. Yes. Or the TikToks with the cat. One or the other. Or the father, apparently. Yeah. That's a great movie. Father's a good movie. You just got to get in touch with your feelings. It's Silence of the Lambs. We're not doing the father rewatch. It's amazing in The Father. Sorry. Serial killer movies? Apex Mountain? I was going to say, yeah. I would say, I mean, you could make. What's the competition? Seven? Seven. Oh, Zodiac. Yeah. Stepping on my programming for later, bro. Jodie Foster? I think Jodie Foster's Apex Mountain is in this most recent season of True Detective when she and Christopher Eccleston are fucking on the desk in the hotel room and he's about to come and she screams, don't you dare. That's great. Sadly, I knew where that was going 14 seconds ago. That is definitively not her Apex Mountain. Q Lazarus, definitely. I didn't even. That wasn't in heavy rotation for you before this. Poodles? Oh. Oh. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Poodles. I'm trying to think of another one. Best in Show? Oh, Best in Show. Oh, Best in Show. Best in Show. That's a good call. Great call. Disemboweling an inept security guard? Have we ever done better? I definitely think it's Apex Mountain for wearing another guy's face, right? Yeah. Okay. But not for like... All right. All right. What is it? Wow. It's Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You're right. Yeah. What about Mission Impossible? Face Off? But he doesn't take... Face Off? Face Off. Are you really wearing it when it's been stitched into your body? I don't know. Yeah. Face Off? Yeah, it's more like you're wearing it as a brief mask. I mean, Face Off, it was the title of the movie and the entire plot. But it's not like a hat in that movie, you know? They're going into surgery. Yeah. Chris Isaac, definitely. Butterflies? Wait, wait, wait. Chris Isaac? You think this is his Apex Mountain? Well, it's coming off the Wicked Game. He's got this. Oh, I like this moment. He's got an agent and a manager. He just bought a house. It's feeling great. It's like you're dating Helena Christensen and you got the biggest song in the world, but it's like you're going to be a SWAT guy in this movie. Yeah. It's like this is going to lead to more stuff, Chris. Just do the part. Scott Glenn, no. Butterflies? Crazy Town song, Butterfly. It's a lot. Come, my lady. Come, come, my lady. Sort of a MiG's anthem. Yeah. Yes. Good stuff. Francis Bacon homages? For sure. I'd say yes. Yeah. How about if somebody, if you're eating dinner and somebody wears lamb chops extra rare, you'd think of this movie and then assume that they're also a murderer. Is this Apex Mountain for lamb chops? Yeah, I think so. Ted Levine, definitely. Night Goggles. It's this or Rick Solomon in the finals. I don't know. Probably this. Oh. Oh, Jurassic Park. It's really good feedback. Oof. Good crowd. The tuck dance, definitely. And then. It's so close to the tuck rule every time you see it. I imagine Brady going like that. Wouldn't it be such a good touchdown celebration, though, if someone like did the tuck dance? The tuck dance? You know if like Jamar Chase just dropped that next Sunday? Wouldn't that be incredible? I can't believe Kyle Hamilton ran that all the way back. He's doing the tuck dance. Oh, no. He's chucking it in. The 1979 Dodge Tradesman Maxi Van. Yeah. That was a James Gumm's car. Yeah. I'm going to say Apex Mountain for that. Cruise or Hanks for Lecter? Polarizing category every time we do it. Obviously Cruise, right? I think Cruise can play every male part in this movie. Convincingly. All right. Let's just talk this out. Okay. Yeah. We're trying to win Oscars. We're trying to win the big five. Yeah. You're telling me this movie is better with Tom Cruise, an actor that I love, who I think leads for most rewatchable movies right now. Is it him or Pacino? I think it's Cruise. It's Cruise. I think Cruise has had the most. You're buying him as Hannibal Lecter. Yes. Tom Cruise. America's uncle, Tom Hanks. Or ice cold weirdo, Tom Cruise. Whom I love. Yeah. What do you think, Val? I think Hanks would be a great Crawford. That makes the movie better, right? Because he's wonderful as Crawford. I do believe that Cruise would have played a compelling Migs. Cruise. All right. So we're going Cruise. Cruise. Cruise. Cruise's prep for Migs would be unbelievable. That would be a webisode. It's like the nine months getting ready. 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