Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
64:49 – 67:35… best for you guys? Age the worst or age the best? Age the best. Some things. Nah. Do you want to have an Ice Cube conversation now? I was going to do it for Apex Mountain. Okay. Okay. Because putting him in context at this time. Why don't we do that? Do 1991 Ice Cube. I mean, Singleton identifying him to do this is crazy. Can we just say one thing like that age the best and he'll get right into Ice Cube. It's ambition, bro. That really age the best because John Singleton was this intern at the Arsenio Hall show. Security. Security. We're in security. But can you imagine like an 18-year-old, 19-year-old kid …
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And the other stuff we mentioned, the father-son angles and all the other stuff we mentioned. Anything else for what's age the best for you guys? Age the worst or age the best? Age the best. Some things. Nah. Do you want to have an Ice Cube conversation now? I was going to do it for Apex Mountain. Okay. Okay. Because putting him in context at this time. Why don't we do that? Do 1991 Ice Cube. I mean, Singleton identifying him to do this is crazy. Can we just say one thing like that age the best and he'll get right into Ice Cube. It's ambition, bro. That really age the best because John Singleton was this intern at the Arsenio Hall show. Security. Security. We're in security. But can you imagine like an 18-year-old, 19-year-old kid telling Ice Cube, NWA Ice Cube, yo, I got a movie for you, bro. I'm going to do this. And Ice Cube's like, all right. And then every time he sees him, yo, I got a movie for you, bro. And then to the point where one of the nights he sees Ice Cube, Ice Cube gives John Singleton a ride back to his dorm at USC. That's how persistence, I'll say persistence, aged well. Aged the best. That's a good trait for a director. Give us the 91 Ice Cube. He's left NWA. He's about to start basically waging war on NWA and Jerry Heller on record. He just wraps his first album with the Bomb Squad. And then he's starting up his second album, Death Certificate, which is him basically fully embracing West Coast sound, funk, G-rap. And he's probably the single most provocative musician in America at this time, for good and for ill. Some of those songs are crazy and inspirational and have aged beautifully. And some of those songs have a lot of fucked up stuff in them right now. But a genuinely singular artist and a person, it was like Elvis Presley getting plucked to appear in movies. The idea that somebody was like, Ice Cube has to be in American movies now and is now literally one of the 35 or 40 most successful movie stars of the last 30 years. That's crazy. To that point, it's like, this was a rare moment. Like, people don't get the moment that Cube got with this movie. This was a rare moment. A rare moment to completely redefine and then define yourself at the same time. It's a redefinition of Ice Cube for us who knew Ice Cube, right? Because we hadn't seen him in this. And then for a lot of America who didn't know Ice Cube yet as a singular entity other than being with NWA, it was a definition of him. And look, to Sean's point, you know, Cube was running around with the nation. Cube was, like, you'd answer, you'd ask Cube a question at that time and you wouldn't know who the fucking answer would offend, right? But this kind of put him in front of the Academy. This put him on the map as a movie star.
87:23 – 95:00… gonna be even interesting enough to be a movie but the way John captured it it was like cinematic beauty and he decided to do it everything else we covered Apex Mountain one more thing go there's a lot of John Hughes influence in this movie the guy who directed Breakfast Club I think what was it Ferris Bueller's Day Off and you can kinda see that right you can kinda see the Are you fucking explaining to us who John Hughes is I'm doing it for the audience bro if I don't come out I'm doing it for the audience bro I know you I support it hold on real quick before we move on before we move on before we move on …
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when he read the script after all the time Singleton badgered him he said damn they're actually gonna make a movie about how he grew up I didn't know it was gonna be even interesting enough to be a movie but the way John captured it it was like cinematic beauty and he decided to do it everything else we covered Apex Mountain one more thing go there's a lot of John Hughes influence in this movie the guy who directed Breakfast Club I think what was it Ferris Bueller's Day Off and you can kinda see that right you can kinda see the Are you fucking explaining to us who John Hughes is I'm doing it for the audience bro if I don't come out I'm doing it for the audience bro I know you I support it hold on real quick before we move on before we move on before we move on before we move on can I make my point please so you guys just real quick so you mean to tell me that you guys do maybe the most popular movie podcast in the world and I'm to believe that the people that are listening to this podcast right now don't know who John Hughes is just let me know cause I'll start explaining I'll start I'll start going hey Steven Spielberg you know the guy from Jobs I'll start cause I didn't qualify Spielberg earlier when we were doing my bad Logan go ahead I just wanted to say the last hold on hold on one second the last time I did a pod with Van I told him that my favorite new category of the show is Van says no and now my new favorite category of the show is Van derails shit to make fun of somebody that is like that should be a sub category hold on with Van Lathan okay so anyway John Singleton was heavily influenced by John Hughes films and you could kind of see it even with that the scene where they go to the you know go to Crenshaw right you see Ricky with the Letterman jacket on it's like hey man I'm here it's his version of that and you could kind of see the John Hughes influence throughout this film if you look back through it and that's something I saw you're right 100% it is clearly here Logan I really like the point don't listen to Van don't listen to oh the point is brilliant don't read your Van Twitter replies Apex Mountain John Singleton unfortunately I think yes gotta be I do like a lot of his movies and since he passed I think there's been a big reevaluation of the first five or six movies that he made big reevaluation right now you guys did Higher Learning obviously Rosewood Baby Boy and Poetic Justice all good films all interesting movies all movies that are trying to do something that is a little different inside of the Hollywood studio system he did make some clunkers though he did make some clunkers Ice Cube the actor I think you could argue for Ice Cube ah man Friday is gonna be tough dog when did when did the second album come out was it after this movie or was it simultaneous that fall he was at one point Ice Cube was the biggest rap star in the world like just yeah but is that this point here or is it like a year later it was a good day is what 93 something like that so it's gotta be Friday then all right Fishburn Larry Fishburn it's gotta be The Matrix The Matrix yeah is it Apex Mountain for Larry Fishburn for Larry Fishburn yeah that's fair yeah Eataburger okay I don't even know what it was apparently Eataburger was a real place I googled it I thought they made it up for the movie but apparently it existed for a while it did look a little generic when you did see it it looked like they redid it to make the signage and stuff no it actually existed Cube Gooding no I would say winning the Oscar it's gotta be characters named Styles because you could also go Teen Wolf Teen Wolf I think this was the Apex Angela Bassett no I heard Apex has just gone on for 40 straight years she's an alien pouring out of 40 which there's that was great form in how he did it there's a possibility he might have kind of invented slash popular as the concept in this movie it was I don't want obviously it existed cemented it yeah but maybe I don't know man because like there's a lot of I remember I saw it the first time I saw somebody doing it it was actually in a documentary was it after this though I can't remember because like we didn't really do it in I don't know anybody that did in Louisiana so I don't know I don't know about that one but maybe but this was like internet the internet research on this is like he might have invented it because it was mall 40 there's like some weird he might have gotten paid for it possibilities for real I mean the mall it's hard to believe I really don't know it's hard to believe that he would have invented it though because it comes back is it more so than there's a Tupac song right pour out a little liquor yeah like that I feel like that was after the movie it was but Apex Mountain yeah fair Apex Mountain to pour out a little liquors was the segment on real ones let's keep it Detroit Tiger hats that popularized it for sure Jack Morris has something to say about that right Jack Morris any other Apex bands um any other Apex well our girls Apex Mountain Alicia Rogers I think class act might be Lee Long no not Lee Long no no no way no that's best man pick and nits this is a big one for me we couldn't have gotten the three minute football game scene with one of Ricky's games just to see how ill he was just gone to the stadium and like have Ice Cube accidentally bump somebody maybe the bump scene actually I just feel like I just wanted to be at a game and I wanted to see different things maybe they didn't have the money to do it maybe not it's a great call I would have loved to have seen Ricky on the sidelines catch the touchdown hold on mentioned Fishburne's only seven years older the Cuba Goodie in real life it's a slight nitpick little Ricky needed to be a better athlete another scene I needed so they mentioned Tecmo Bowl but just give me ten seconds of two people playing Tecmo Bowl it's right there this is the era there was one time you could have done the Tecmo Bowl and that was when Monster has the gun but it winds up being a video game and they're playing that game but I don't think you can do Tecmo Bowl because for that scene you needed suspense and this thing is all about tension so that makes sense alright let's get to it what is Ricky doing in his final moments of his life what has happened what is he doing these guys are driving around it's the same guys that pulled out a machine gun and shot in the air he has to stop to pee he has to he's doing does he have to pee that bad you can pee when you get to the crib he decides to separate because it would be safer but as soon as they separate he's just walking one mile an hour doing a scratch card it's like are you scared or you're not scared right so the whole thing doesn't make any sense number one Ricky is as elusive as anyone gets we've seen it he ran for 276 yards against Washington okay but the reality is that and we've talked about this so much Ricky just acts as a sitting duck right he couldn't jump in nobody's backyard he doesn't zag he doesn't do anything he runs in a straight line for the shotgun which has a tremendous amount of range on it normally you don't get that much range on a double barrel shotty but whatever just the entire thing they did not act like a group of guys that had some guys out to kill them that were in their neighborhood all the time like these guys were pulling up and threatening them all the time they were not scared they was coming I know they weren't they weren't scared even the whole thing like they running through houses they cutting they doing all like for me I'm not gonna run through the house and then drop down in the alley where the alley
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