Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
67:35 – 70:21… more, Pacino. Okay, but is it a quality over quantity thing? Because Pacino channeling the Dark Lord Satan is to me the top. That's like... The peak? That's Apex Mountain. That is the evilest you can evil. Well, if we're just talking about playing Satan, I think Pacino has it over Louis Seifert. Yes. From Angel Heart. Louis Seifert, I, you know... Angel Heart. You want to defend Angel Heart? When are you going to do it? When are you going to do it? Angel Heart. It's so bad. It's pretty bad. I do love it. The... Is there ever going to be like a New Orleans movie that isn't deeply flawed? When are we going to …
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Based on the work that Pacino does as John Milton, aka Satan, in the Devil's Advocate. But Louis Seifert... One movie. Yeah. But... One movie. But give me eight more, Pacino. Okay, but is it a quality over quantity thing? Because Pacino channeling the Dark Lord Satan is to me the top. That's like... The peak? That's Apex Mountain. That is the evilest you can evil. Well, if we're just talking about playing Satan, I think Pacino has it over Louis Seifert. Yes. From Angel Heart. Louis Seifert, I, you know... Angel Heart. You want to defend Angel Heart? When are you going to do it? When are you going to do it? Angel Heart. It's so bad. It's pretty bad. I do love it. The... Is there ever going to be like a New Orleans movie that isn't deeply flawed? When are we going to do New Orleans month? New Orleans month of just deeply flawed New Orleans movies? Heaven's prisoners. I love that movie. Casting what ifs. Scorsese wanted Harrison Ford. Yeah. To play Sam and Ford only wanted to play Max Cady, which is immediately the worst movie of the 90s. Fascinating. Harrison Ford is Max Cady? Yeah. He's never done anything even close to that. That would be so interesting. Allegedly, Spielberg wanted Bill Murray to play Cady. I mean, this is around... I don't know if I believe that. Kind of like it. Yeah. I mean, it's not... He ended up playing Max Cady in Groundhog Day. What was the movie where he plays the gangster and De Niro's the... Mad Dog in Glory. Mad Dog in Glory. Yeah. There's false internet research that Sarah Jessica Parker was cast and then replaced by Juliette Lewis. Why is it false? Because there's a bunch of stuff where Scorsese's like, she was the first person we cast. You said Drew Barrymore? No, it was Sarah Jessica Parker. Oh, Sarah Jessica Parker. There's stuff on there that she was cast and got fired, but I don't think that's true. They did audition like 500 actresses, all of whom went on to become pretty famous or the top 20. Jennifer Connelly, Drew Barrymore, Reese Witherspoon. Mm-hmm. Drew Barrymore and Reese Witherspoon. I looked it up. They were both 15 when they were filming this. That changes the movie in a bunch of ways. Yeah, I'm really glad it wasn't Drew Barrymore too. Because Drew Barrymore has such a different energy. She said that it's like one of her greatest disappointments was the audition for this movie. She said she blew it. I think Reese five years later would have been amazing. 15-year-old Reese, no. But 20-year-old Reese around, I don't know, between Man on the Moon and Fear. Yeah, Freeway. And Fear. Like Freeway Reese, I think would have been really great in this. Tracy Flick. Diane Keaton apparently was going to play the wife and didn't win the part. Thank God. Yeah. That's a weird one. It was an abortion, Sam! I'm just not a huge fan of lying in this movie. I really don't get that. We're about to get to it. The Ruffalo hand and Rubenick partridge overacting word.
76:24 – 81:00… Vice. This will be hilarious. That might have been it. They might have just dipped from the warehouse. Just De Niro getting ready for heat five years early. Apex Mountain, definitely not for Scorsese or De Niro. Eh. What did we say it was for De Niro? This is right around when he's the most marketable and famous. I can't remember. Did we say it was Goodfellas? I don't remember. It's somewhere around here. Maybe this was it. I mean, this movie did make a ton of money and led to him doing. Twelve movies in three years. It's really hard to say. It's somewhere in here. I mean, he wins an Oscar for The Godfather …
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That's not one of the great Miami Vice episodes. I don't know who would even get the reference. Do you think it's like the production designer was like, my buddy works on Vice. This will be hilarious. That might have been it. They might have just dipped from the warehouse. Just De Niro getting ready for heat five years early. Apex Mountain, definitely not for Scorsese or De Niro. Eh. What did we say it was for De Niro? This is right around when he's the most marketable and famous. I can't remember. Did we say it was Goodfellas? I don't remember. It's somewhere around here. Maybe this was it. I mean, this movie did make a ton of money and led to him doing. Twelve movies in three years. It's really hard to say. It's somewhere in here. I mean, he wins an Oscar for The Godfather Part II. You know? Right. And then his Oscar. I mean, you could say Raging Bull was Apex Mountain. But then when you look at his IMDb after, he really didn't make a lot of movies for the next couple years. Maybe it's probably Raging Bull. So, Nolte. I guess as a box office star, you might be right. This might be it. Yeah. De Niro box office guy. I agree. Nolte, it's in the 70s probably when people were talking about him as the number one. 48 Hours? Yeah. Early 80s? Jessica Lange, no. Juliette Lewis. I would say Natural Born Killers. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. The 1991 facebiting and movies that got Oscar nominations rage really peaked here. I know. Didn't have a lot of facebiting since. Not a lot of contenders. Fred Thompson? I'm going to say yes. This was really the Fred Thompson era. Yeah. When did he get elected to the Senate? No, not Senate. Do you want me to read those five movies he made in 18 months? I'm just asking when he got elected to the Senate. No, not Senate. Hunt for Red October for 12 minutes. Die Hard 2. I want to get elected to the Senate just so you can be like, uh-uh. CR's best work was on the re-re-reheat. Probably the place Cape Fear, which is an actual place. This movie is probably the apex mountain. Although, weird place to vacation. Where are we going? Did you see that Scorsese movie? Get down there and we got a houseboat. Great movie theater. Where are we going for vacation? Dungeon Hell? Who names that town Cape Fear? I didn't come up. I didn't have a racehorse name. Oh, I did. Unless you want to go Cape Fear for the racehorse name. Racehorse name, hospital job. Oh. That's a good one. That's a good one. I like that. All right, we'll use that. Pick and Nitz. Double murder in the house, including Joe Don Baker. And they just don't call the cops. Well, they do from the road. He's like, we're fugitives. Remember? He calls and he's just like, you'll find two bodies. Why are they fugitives? There was a double murder in their house. Why not just have the police come? Because it's not like they did anything wrong. Yeah. Their maid and Joe Don Baker were murdered in their house. Maybe call the cops? I just didn't think Joe Don had to die in that way. I didn't really appreciate that. You wanted him to have a massive coronary from Jim Beam and Teptoe every day. Well, I have that for a pick and Nitz too. Now, maybe he's pretty drunk on Jim Beam, but not. You're just doing a sideways look at the maid making tea at two in the morning. Yeah. Not going to just take a two-second look? Didn't see him on the ball. I think he's supposed to be bad at his job. Yeah, didn't see him on the ball. It's maybe not the top-of-the-line security. How did you feel about Max Cady hanging under the car for three hours on the way to Cape Fear? A little latch. This is a big... I watched a one-hour-and-20-minute making of this film to prepare for this podcast. Wow. And there's a moment in that making of where I think either Wesley Strick, the screenwriter, or Scorsese is like, people are saying that this is not believable. Here's why it is. So that has to be really high up there on the picking Nitz. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And nowhere in your research did you come across The Cell Within by Jake Manning. Yeah. That wasn't in the 80-minute documentary. It didn't come up. The real Cape Fear is located on Bald Head Island. Faces the ocean at the river. No cars are allowed, so there's no exits. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They kind of cheated on that one. Welcome to Cape Fear on Bald Head Island. What the fuck is that? Leave your car on the mainland. It's the worst vacation ever. The... We mentioned the boat, using the little tiny boat. And then, at the end, Juliette Lewis' character says how they never talked about Max Cady again. Ever. Sure. Just kind of filed that one away. I just find that hard to believe. Yeah, push it down. This is like a month and a half long traumatic experience with this ex-con who murdered their maid and their dog and broke their boat and almost killed them and not coming up ever.
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