Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
87:47 – 95:31… in the movie. Oh, really? He's sitting next to him at 21. Yeah. He's on the other side of Douglas in 21, Ken Lipper. Yeah, it's awesome. Just a little detail. Apex Mountain. Oh, yeah. Michael Douglas. Because he's got Fatal Attraction 2, and I think this is it. It's either this or Fatal Attraction. I think you go either. But he's the biggest male star in the world after this movie, after this movie and Fatal Attraction. You think Stone's Apex is JFK? I think it's this. I have Oliver Stone here because he had Platoon the year before, then Wall Street, and at that point, he could make any movie he wants, which …
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these doors start opening and you get some cool things out. And Lipper is sitting next to Douglas at 21 in the movie. Oh, really? He's sitting next to him at 21. Yeah. He's on the other side of Douglas in 21, Ken Lipper. Yeah, it's awesome. Just a little detail. Apex Mountain. Oh, yeah. Michael Douglas. Because he's got Fatal Attraction 2, and I think this is it. It's either this or Fatal Attraction. I think you go either. But he's the biggest male star in the world after this movie, after this movie and Fatal Attraction. You think Stone's Apex is JFK? I think it's this. I have Oliver Stone here because he had Platoon the year before, then Wall Street, and at that point, he could make any movie he wants, which leads to JFK, which is an insane movie to make. I think that's his best movie, though. He's doing the assassination. I think JFK is his best movie. Is this your audition to be on the JFK rewatchables? No, we're doing- Because that's on the schedule. I'm doing First Blood, and then I'm doing a secret one. So I can't- Oh, yeah, you're right. How many do you want me on? No. Charlie Sheen, Apex Mountain? It's tough because I think as an actor, this was his Apex Mountain, but two and a half men making $10 gazillion and being watched by 20 million people every night, I kind of feel like that has to be his Apex Mountain. He was the biggest TV star in the world. I'm going to controversially say, I think Platoon was his Apex Mountain as an artist. I think he does Platoon, and his whole life could have gone a different way. And after Platoon, he gets completely out of control. I mean, if you think about where he was positioned after Platoon, he could have been everything. You know, and instead, he ends up doing- You know, he ends up letting his- You know, Mark had corrected him. Cruise. And Downey later, probably, right? Downey later, but Cruise early. He's basically in a death match with Cruise for all those roles and not getting any of them, right? That's fascinating. Rain Man. You think that's what happened? Like Top Gun, too, you think? Well, he gets this one over Cruise. So I think they're pretty even coming out of 1987. Fascinating. And then Cruise just starts ripping off Tom Cruise stuff. Right. And, you know, like, could Charlie Sheen, from what we saw in this movie and what we knew of him at the age he was, been Jerry Maguire in nine years? Like, yeah. Right. But he couldn't have been in the Grisham thing. The firm? Because he never- Yeah, he didn't play with the same exact intelligence. Cruise, right? You really believe Cruise is making all those tough decisions. Plus, Cruise is running. I mean, nobody ran better. He was like Usain Bolt watching him sprint just around Memphis. Did you do the firm on this ever? Because- We did. Did you talk a lot about the backflips? Okay. Let's keep going. All right, good. Sean Young. So she has this and No Way Out with Kevin Costner. Stripes is her high point. I say No Way Out. I say Stripes. I think she's awesome and No Way Out. Daryl Hannah has this and Roxanne the same year. You can make a case, yes. Sure. Roxanne was a big deal. She was incredible. How about Wall Street? I mean, Wall Street is an- I think it's an evergreen. I mean, I think Wolf of Wall Street into- Wolf of Wall Street, into the Adam McKay movie, into our show, into success. So Wall Street's never had an apex mountain. I think Wall Street is a- I mean, if you just think about those movies in a row. How about Cocaine, Limos, Hookers, and Blowjobs? Sure. Just as this is at the apex, maybe. Talking Heads? No, the Eagles documentary is the apex for that. Fair. Talking Heads? Oh. No, the David- Stop Making Sense, right? You have to give it to Stop Making Sense, I think. This is my favorite one. Goofy Mubi Robots, because this is a year after Rocky IV, and then Wall Street's like, hold my beer, and goes even a step crazier. And do you know who the actor is who's playing with the thing? Legendary, that guy. If you go back and watch, I did not recognize him until I saw it on IMDb. That's like Paul Guilfoyle, who became the most famous TV actor ever. Yeah. He's the guy with the robot at the house in this. Goofy Movie Robots. How about early before it became kind of known Hamptons? It's kind of stealth Hamptons still in the 80s, right? How about Steak Tartare? Steak Tartare, another good one. I think this is the high point of Steak Tartare. And squash. We're taking one more break, then we're going to pick some nits. Bonjour, compadre. It's the Priceline Negotiator. How do I negotiate so many great travel deals? My greatest gadget. The Priceline app. It's got hotel deals, flight deals, rental car deals, all of those deals in a bundle. Deals. Game day deals. Concert trip deals. No one deals more deals than Priceline. Hold your horses. There's more. The app lets you filter hotels by neighborhood, vibe, star level, and amenities like pools and spas and beachfronts. Wait, I'm not done. Stop cutting me off. Priceline. All right. You said for Apex Mountain squash. I like that call. That was a good one. Picking nits. Wouldn't Sir Larry notice Charlie Sheen following him around all day on a motorcycle? Or wouldn't he have had somebody? He does the look. He does it. If you go watch Slow, there's this moment when he sees Sheen with Gecko. It's a great acting moment. It's why he's on Apex Mountain. He realizes it after. But not even- He's like, oh, oh, he puts it together. Oh, that fucker. I feel like that day he would have seen him. During Gecko's speech, one of the worst dubs ever, where it's like, this is an outrage. You're out of line, Gecko. And it's clearly somebody in a booth. It's really bad. It kind of hurts. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that in this movie. Like, was Bud really dumb enough to think Gecko wasn't going to destroy Blue Star? I mean, honestly, I know Gecko is smarter than him, but Bud's not going to see that one coming at all. He's really going to trust Gecko, the biggest shark on Wall Street? Well, that gets you back to the cocaine and parties and sex workers. So his head was right. That's fair. Bud Fox randomly being at Spader's offense during the pivotal Blue Star liquidation meeting. Weird. It's a script stretch. And becoming such a dick so quickly to his best friend, Marv. It's a movie trope, but you're supposed to bring that guy along more slowly than that before you drop your best friend who gave you the hundred that quickly. And then the who am I moment. Come on, we got to pick the nit on the who am I. Yeah, you did it, but we'll do it the second time because it's bad. How about Sheen crying as he's being let out of the office in handcuffs? I don't feel like Bud Fox does that. I think he sticks his chin up and tries to take it a little bit more like a man. I didn't like the crying. I would bet you, I haven't looked it up, but I would bet you Dennis Levine must have cried. And that's the guy that was based on was Dennis. Oh, interesting. Okay. Dennis Levine's the guy that like boasts your milk. One of those guys, I don't remember which right now, but one of those guys worked with this guy, Dennis Levine. And I would bet you that Dennis Levine cried. And that's, that's my guess. That's just a guess. I could be completely wrong. That's just a guess. At the end, Gecko wouldn't have worried that Bud was wearing a wire. He was too smart. Totally right about that. Yeah. Of course he would. And then my last one. Also, he didn't say enough in that scene to get arrested. My last one. Yeah, he didn't. We couldn't have had an Emilio Estevez cameo. Emilio's red hot at the time. Couldn't he have been the union rep? He could have been Sheen's other son. What did you think of the Charlie Sheen cameo in the sequel? I kind of liked it. Me too. I don't know why. I actually thought it was the best part of the sequel. I kind of liked it too. Wait, so Emilio plays, you know, Jimmy Fox, the other son, who's just blue star for life. And he's the union rep. And now we got brother versus brother with dad versus brother. Any of those airplane workers with Emilio. Just a cameo? Come on. It would have been awesome. Come on, Oliver Stone. Next category. Could this be remade as a 10 episode Netflix show?
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