Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
30:49 – 34:12… should talk about her before we get into the categories. Because I forgot that this was the same year as Hunger Games. And obviously, we can get into, like, Apex Mountain stuff. But I was kind of reminded, you know, she's been, quote unquote, with us for the better part of a decade now. And she's kind of, like, not only a staple of movie theaters, but is kind of taken on. Like, she's a celebrity. She's, like, she's meme-ified when she goes on Hot Ones. She does great appearances at award shows. She just was like, if I don't win, I'm leaving at the Golden Globes. She's been on the rewatchables. She's been on …
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It sounds like he does a lot of finding of the film, both on the set when he's shooting and then in the editing room when he decides, like, the tone of the film. But you mentioned Jennifer Lawrence. So we should talk about her before we get into the categories. Because I forgot that this was the same year as Hunger Games. And obviously, we can get into, like, Apex Mountain stuff. But I was kind of reminded, you know, she's been, quote unquote, with us for the better part of a decade now. And she's kind of, like, not only a staple of movie theaters, but is kind of taken on. Like, she's a celebrity. She's, like, she's meme-ified when she goes on Hot Ones. She does great appearances at award shows. She just was like, if I don't win, I'm leaving at the Golden Globes. She's been on the rewatchables. She's been on the rewatchables. It was wild to go back to this and see the raw uncut. This is it, man. And, again, we can talk about Apex Mountain stuff later. But, like, what she's doing in this movie is awesome. And the fact that there's, like, a record of, like, 21-year-old Jennifer Lawrence absolutely throwing heat. Like, with Bradley Cooper. But, like, in scenes with Robert De Niro. Just, like, standing up and firing on all cylinders is awesome to see. She's a five-tool player in this movie. Like, she can make you laugh, make you cry, scare you. She dances. She can do very written monologues like the Juju one that she does to De Niro. But she can also be like, you're fucking killing me to Julia Stiles. And you're like, is this Jenna Rollins? Like, holy shit. Like, this is really, really, really just such a raw human experience. And an extremely funny performance. And an extremely funny performance. And she's 21 when she makes this? Or 20 when they film it? I think she's 21 when they filmed it. Bradley Cooper 37. But it's not that I feel. But it works. I mean, it's one of the more amazing recent examples of, like, none of this makes any sense. But I guess David O. Russell was committed. And he was right. Yeah. Well, we should also mention that I think one of the reasons why Cooper is so resonant in this film is that he is also a Philadelphian and is also an Eagles fan. He's probably their most famous fan right now since Taylor Swift decided to become a Chiefs fan. Rejecting her Pennsylvania heritage. Cooper often seen at Eagles games. Like, he is sort of stuck with the program after this movie. He's from Abington? He's from Abington. He's from Abington. Legitimate, real, like, bona fide Eagles fan. Yeah. Did you vet him when you were with him? Did you, like... He vetted me. Did he really? Yeah. It was, like... It was honestly, like... With Philly, people can go two ways. And he and I talked about this. It can either be, like, we're brothers for life, which kind of, I think, represents this table, for instance. Sure. People talking right now. Or it's, like, kind of, like, we're probably going to fight at this bar. And he and I were both kind of laughing. Like, I think we're, like, in the fight category. Yeah. I think we are. Yeah, we kind of are. And it's, like, that kind of, like, you're puffing at your chest and he's puffing at his chest. And we're, like... It was actually the day I interviewed him. I remember it was, like, when Nick Foles threw, I think, seven touchdowns against the Raiders. Was it seven? And we were, like, talking about that. Who's counting, you know? Yeah. Who's counting? Who remembers that? And we're, like, kind of, like, both excited about it, but also, like, somehow, like, disagreeing already. Over what it meant? Yeah, over what it meant. But he's a real Philly dude. This movie made more than $200 million worldwide.
36:36 – 39:22… because of the housing crisis and get that tarp loan in there. And Ronnie's like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Sometimes I feel like I'm just. Also, Apex Mountain for iPods. I don't know if we've gotten there yet. Don't jump ahead. Wall Mountain, yeah. Yeah. But this is where we meet Tiffany. And we get like her very morded sense of humor about like. It's a drawer in the morn. It's a drawer in the morn. You're going to pump a body full of formaldehyde. And, you know, Pat asks if you can play Ride the Lightning for a baby. I don't know if either of you guys have tried that with your children. Yeah. It …
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You know, we get Ronnie's take on the commercial real estate market, which is worth mentioning, I think, because. Russell wanted this movie. He wanted the 2008 season because of the housing crisis and get that tarp loan in there. And Ronnie's like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Sometimes I feel like I'm just. Also, Apex Mountain for iPods. I don't know if we've gotten there yet. Don't jump ahead. Wall Mountain, yeah. Yeah. But this is where we meet Tiffany. And we get like her very morded sense of humor about like. It's a drawer in the morn. It's a drawer in the morn. You're going to pump a body full of formaldehyde. And, you know, Pat asks if you can play Ride the Lightning for a baby. I don't know if either of you guys have tried that with your children. Yeah. It seems like something I would ask. And when Pat sees her, he's like, you look nice. And we get that first burst of like, this is how these two are going to relate to each other. You look nice. Thank you. I'm not flirting with you. I didn't think you were. I just see that you made an effort and I'm going to be better with my wife. I'm working on that. I want to acknowledge her beauty. I never used to do that. I'm going to do that now. Because we're going to be better than ever. Nikki. Just practicing. How'd Tommy die? What about your job? I just got fired, actually. Oh, really? How? I mean, I'm sorry. How'd that happen? Does it really matter? Baby! Real transparency and candor and emotional intensity. We call it radical honesty, I think, in addiction therapy. Okay. Which I am in for the Eagles. But please go on. There is one scene I like before this, which is when he's reading A Farewell to Arms and throws it out the window. That's a good one. Yeah. I think his relationship to literature is really pretty amazing. I have sort of as a replacement for throwing the book out the window, I had Pat looks for his wedding video and gets his ass beat by his dad. I don't find that rewatchable. Okay. But we'll circle back. This is the thing, is that some people may find the intense moments the most rewatchable. Tiff and Pat's first date, for instance, is pretty high up there for me. It's at the Lanark Diner. Yes. In Upper Darby? Upper Darby. Yeah. Is it like the borders, like Drexel? I think Lanark is like Upper Darby. There's like some lands down in there. It's... Well, we... When do you want to talk about the Lanark Diner? We can talk about it in a bit. But I... Okay. So this is up there. Uh, you know... Right before that, the first running scene, when he's out jogging, it's right after the... When he's looking for his wedding video. And she goes, hey, what happened to your face? Weightlifting accident. He says weightlifting accident. Yeah, that's what often happens to me. Hey! Whoa! Hey! What the hell? What happened to your face? Weightlifting accident? That sounds like bullshit.
95:55 – 100:29… bought what he was selling in a way that just on the terms of the marketplace. I don't know if it happened that way again. So, Jennifer Lawrence, certainly Apex Mountain, she does this, wins an Oscar and is in Hunger Games in the same year. Yep. The only blemish on that is that House at the End of the Street is also released this year. Which is a horror movie I think she had shot before. Bradley Cooper? I think this is a very interesting conversation. Because it's basically movie star Bradley Cooper who's in Silver Linings Playbook and American Sniper versus auteur Bradley Cooper. Yeah. Like if you want to …
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Because after this, I think he starts sort of dialing it back. Yeah. But also contained enough and in a basically a happy romantic story. But he caught lightning. Like it also, it translated. Like people bought what he was selling in a way that just on the terms of the marketplace. I don't know if it happened that way again. So, Jennifer Lawrence, certainly Apex Mountain, she does this, wins an Oscar and is in Hunger Games in the same year. Yep. The only blemish on that is that House at the End of the Street is also released this year. Which is a horror movie I think she had shot before. Bradley Cooper? I think this is a very interesting conversation. Because it's basically movie star Bradley Cooper who's in Silver Linings Playbook and American Sniper versus auteur Bradley Cooper. Yeah. Like if you want to talk about Star is Born. Yeah. I think would be the, for me, would be the competition. This is like, I think he's a truly great actor. And I think this is like about a good showcase of like why he's good and how he's good as you ever get. Yeah. I think exactly that. I just feel like there's a, there's a inflection point where for 10 years he's playing the part that everyone else thinks he is. And then he has an opportunity to show us everything that he is almost to a wildly vulnerable degree. And from this point on he gets to call his own shots. Which has led to some great successes. But also leads to, you know, I mean this without, I don't mean this as a judgment, but it leads to Maestro. Which is what he wants to show us about his abilities. I think that this is his Apex Mountain. And I think that through Stars Born and Maestro, he has been efforting to build an addition onto Apex Mountain that he can still call his own. If that makes any sense. If anything about Apex Mountains makes any sense. What about sports fandom in movies? Has it ever been done better? Even though, even though I have some questions about the sports fandom. But like, has the depiction of the way a team can basically govern your emotional stability ever been done? No, this is the best version. It's like this in Fever Pitch, right? That type of sports fandom, yes. The only type I recognize, yes. Because I don't actually care about the sport. Anything else for Apex Mountain? No, I mean director, actor and actress. Yeah. I think Upper Derby on film. Yes. You know, just broadly. Like not always the most cinematic location. Picking Knits. Oh, here we go. Yeah. Thank you. It takes until Tiff shows up at the house to do the Juju monologue for anyone to acknowledge that the Phillies just won the World Series. So this is, it's almost unforgivable. It almost would have been better to me if they hadn't said it at all. Because I understand there are people who are Eagles first and everything else fifth. That makes sense to me. There are people who don't like baseball or whatever. And we are living proof of the Phillies won the World Series and it didn't change how we felt about the Eagles season. It's not like we were like, the Eagles get a gimme. They can do whatever they want because we're just basking in this. But the civic experience of winning a championship, which had not happened in almost three decades, was enormous. That was a huge deal. Yes. And it dominated. I mean, even just the fact that there weren't like little car flags and stuff in the background. Like, I understand why there weren't. It would have been a different story, different movie. But he, he chose the year. Yeah. I have a related nit to pick. Okay. Yeah. I bet it's, yeah, go. Pat doesn't watch the games. That's my, this is my thing. This is just, Pat is not actually a football fan. Like, I don't know how you grow up in that house, in that city, and be that guy and not watch the games. It drives me insane. Even before the dancing stuff. He's like, it's like on. He's like standing like next to it. And he's like, he's not even looking at the TV screen. I like that. Well, yeah. He doesn't like football. Yeah. Okay. All right. Maybe you can explain the psychology to us. It's his dad's thing that he relates to, you know, the unpredictability of his father's love and attention and affection. There's violence in the house. He's right. He's, he's, his, his week and his emotional well-being is governed by whatever the Eagles do and what his father does. I think intellectually that's true. And like, if you were going to ask, like, why is this constructed that way? That would be the answer. It's insane. Pat would watch the game. Jake is talking about like, we have to like challenge these guys at the line of scrimmage, throw bubble screens. Jake's got all 22 film. Yes. Pat's like, oh yeah, Deshaun Jackson's the man. Like he's, he's kind of a casual. I'm, I think that works for the movie. I don't, I don't, can I, can I add one other thing? Yes, we can. No, we can't. You know what else happened in the fall of 2008? Oh yeah. The election of President Barack Hussein Obama happened?
107:31 – 110:17… Neither of them have income at the moment. We haven't discussed not just why she lost her job, but the scene where she talks about it. That's Bradley Cooper's Apex Mountain at the Leonard Diner. Oh my God. This is so hot. He's like, were any of them women? He's like literally eating his own chicken. Were they a teacher? That's a great scene. It's really good. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? The handkerchief. I want the copy of A Farewell to Arms or whatever that he chucks out the window. I would like... I think I would go for the Deshaun Jackson jersey, which is pretty... It's …
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I don't know if they have much of a future. I want it to be otherwise, but I feel like they're too volatile. What does Tiff do? Like what's her... What's... She dances. She lost her job. But they... Neither of them have income at the moment. We haven't discussed not just why she lost her job, but the scene where she talks about it. That's Bradley Cooper's Apex Mountain at the Leonard Diner. Oh my God. This is so hot. He's like, were any of them women? He's like literally eating his own chicken. Were they a teacher? That's a great scene. It's really good. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? The handkerchief. I want the copy of A Farewell to Arms or whatever that he chucks out the window. I would like... I think I would go for the Deshaun Jackson jersey, which is pretty... It's immaculate. Pretty easy pick, but I like... Some of the literature is great. I think the boss... I love Jennifer Lawrence as Tiff to just synopsize great novels for me. Yeah, when she does that, one of the flies is sick. Zach, do you feel like if your son at any point in his life woke you up at four in the morning but only to talk about Hemingway? Like, what's your... Are you like, this is bad in some ways, but good in others? I think my... Like, Pat Senior later is like... He's like, Dad, I'm doing better. I'm like reading books. He's like, do us a favor. I'm reading books. I'd be like, do me a favor. Let me sleep. It is funny, though. I do wonder, like... If your son woke you up at three in the morning but was like, why aren't we running more slants for A.J. Brown? Do you think that you would just be like, yes? I would be like, this is the way? Yeah. If he was like, there were dance scenes in the book which were boring, but I liked it! I would be like, well, this is kind of funny, I guess. Zach sleeps with a pencil over his ear like Matt Patricia. That's right. He'd be ready to... Coach Finstock Award for the best life lesson. You can play Rod the Lightning for a baby. Is that... Is that one? I don't know. I don't know about that one. Did you guys have one from the movie? I mean, I think the... You know, if you drink a lot and get in a fight, you could really bond with a lot of people. Yeah. I feel like I learned that. That's right. Always stick up for your brother. Yeah. Who won the movie? Do you think we would do that for each other at a tailgate? Yeah. Definitely. I know he would. I know Zach would. Zach would. I wonder how you know that. I've been on public golf courses with Zach. Who won the movie? This is a complicated one. I think it's Lawrence. I think it's Jennifer Lawrence on this most recent go-around, but Bradley Cooper is the soul of the movie. I also think it does the most for Bradley. Yes. Like, I think that that... I think you're watching his life change in this moment. Yes, in real time. So, in terms of, like, the implications, like, it had the biggest effect for him.
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