Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables
56:53 – 67:33… also just Soderbergh on the Jared Harris train 10 years before Chernobyl. You love to see it. 15 years before. Uh, I'm still going to give it to Bruce Willis. Apex Mountain. Here are some nominees. Oh boy. Brad Pitt. He is clearly pretty miserable around this time. I think his life is starting to become very scrutinized. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He's making movies like Troy, which while successful, he does not seem very happy to be in. Mr. and Mrs. Smith essentially blows up his life, but he is very famous. And if we are talking about Apex Mountain as people being on like a peak of some sort of career power trip, I think …
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What about Jared Harris as basher's engineer? Fucking amazing. Yeah. Great stuff. It's just like, that's just fantastic stuff. And I don't even know, like that's also just Soderbergh on the Jared Harris train 10 years before Chernobyl. You love to see it. 15 years before. Uh, I'm still going to give it to Bruce Willis. Apex Mountain. Here are some nominees. Oh boy. Brad Pitt. He is clearly pretty miserable around this time. I think his life is starting to become very scrutinized. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He's making movies like Troy, which while successful, he does not seem very happy to be in. Mr. and Mrs. Smith essentially blows up his life, but he is very famous. And if we are talking about Apex Mountain as people being on like a peak of some sort of career power trip, I think you can make the argument that Ocean's 12 is Brad Pitt's Apex Mountain. Some other nominees. Arsenal FC. I thought of this. I was wondering if you would mention this given your Liverpool fandom. I don't mind. Okay. When you're like 30 points ahead of Arsenal in the Premier League table, Arsenal can get all the shout outs. That's why you brought it up. Yes. No, but I would say that I wonder how many like Americans saw that and were like, what's Arsenal? And kind of like got into Arsenal that way. Arsenal also went to the Champions League. Everybody's going to get mad at me. I think they went the next year to the final against Barcelona, which they lost. You think Soderbergh made that happen? I think he caught a wave. Just like Jared Harris. He got the wave early with Arsenal. Remember the sort of the afterglow of the Men in Blazers boom when everybody in New York City was like, what I do is wake up at 530 a.m. and go to a bar to watch Liverpool play Arsenal like a fucking demon. Remember when that was like there were New York Times style stories about that as a lifestyle choice? Yeah. Do you think it was inspired by this stuff in the movie? It's possible. I think that this movie brought a lot of European customs to the States. That seems like a lot of credit. The movie is getting like it. People, their hearts weren't open to the European customs. Is this Apex Mountain for the city of Amsterdam? Um, I mean, just, you know, it looks great. Name a better movie with Amsterdam in it. Maybe in its cinematic history. Yeah. Cinematic Apex Mountain. I think that obviously. I'm not, I'm not a scholar on the history of Amsterdam. Did incredible stuff with dykes. Okay. And they did incredible stuff with city planning. The bicycling there is great. Obviously at the forefront of, of legal marijuana. So not the opening of the Van Gogh Museum, for example. Did you just Google that? Did you just have Amsterdam facts at your fingertips? I've been to Amsterdam. I know it's there. So tell me all about it. Tell me all about what's better about Amsterdam than being in Ocean's 12. Well, it's a, it's a historical city. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. With elegant design and a deep underbelly. And that's, what's amazing about it, which is why it's a great setting for this film. But this film is a piece of Hollywood claptrap. And you're shitting on a thousand years of artistry and architectural brilliance. Let's just say, what about Lake Como in this spot? Because at least Lake Como in the American. It popularized Lake Como in a big time way. In the American consciousness, because this is also what, in the American consciousness. And Americans are idiots. I think Clooney did them. I think Clooney as like magazine cover guy. It's at the same time. Is that when this was happening? Yes. He's bought the house in Lake Como. And now it's in this movie. And people are confusing. Wasn't he dating a wrestler back then? I think that was amazing. You make it sound like he was dating Gorgeous George in the 1950s. Stacey Keebler, I believe the young woman's name was. I think that was a bit later. Okay. I'm just saying. I was always into that couple. I think he was dating, what was the English woman? Snow? Snowden? Wasn't there, wasn't that his longtime paramour before Stacey Keebler? No? I don't remember. I'm sure Juliette. This is really your corner. Yeah, but it's, he never really had to pay attention to that until you had to pay attention to that. I was paying attention. He was, it was. A man of impeccable taste. Right. And good for him and good for everyone who was involved and got to visit Lake Como, which is something I still have not been able to do. So no judgment. I just don't remember. Any other Apex Mountains before I give it to Amsterdam as a city? I mean, you're really stretching out here. Should we say all of humankind is this Apex Mountain for planet Earth? I think you could make an argument that for a certain kind of silk shirt, it's Apex Mountain. Yeah. So I wanted to talk about Brad's shirts. Okay. You mentioned it earlier, his clothing and whether it's like a joke and there's the gigolo bit in the movie. He's wearing at one point a shiny, a sort of eggshell colored shirt that no living human should wear except for Brad Pitt. Yes. The kind of purple tint one? No. There's, well, maybe the shine puts a kind of like gleam on it. Do you see Brad Pitt in movies and think, I want to do that? Like I want to dress like that guy? Not just like I want to be handsome. Like I want to get his clothes. I want to cut my hair that way. Because on the first Ocean's Eleven podcast, I said, George Clooney, my hair idol, the person who in movies, when he's like really cleaned up and looking debonair, I aspire to that. But in this movie, Brad Pitt is doing everything I don't like. He has a shaved head. He looks so gaudy and stupid. I really like the buzz cut. He's eating all the time, but he looks immaculate. Yes. You don't like eating all the time? You know I don't. Yeah. Yeah. But I didn't know if maybe you were like, except if I have my fruit bowl, which was aforementioned. Yeah. I don't think that this is like, let me just go ahead and say this for the record. You don't have to state that it's for the record. He's recording it. Do you want a stenographer to come in? I know. What I mean by that is I want people to hear me and pay attention. If you take anything away from this podcast, take away this. Wait, Craig, delete this. Starting now, delete. Go ahead. Ocean's 12 is not a how-to manual. Okay. Okay. It's don't plan your heist this way. And frankly, unless you're Brad Pitt, don't dress like Brad Pitt in this movie. Okay. I just, it's there. He is art. And that is, that is fashion is art. That is existence is art. It's much like the fruit bowl. Okay. We're just all getting to enjoy it. Much like we enjoyed the cultural history of Amsterdam and Lake Como. Anything else for Apex Mountain? This film? Yeah. In this movie. What else is Apex Mountain? Microorganisms. Amanda, did you have any nominees? I don't think so. This is like a takeoff time for Damon, but. Yeah. I don't know if, I mean, he is coming off Bourne. I think it's, it's around that, but I wouldn't necessarily call this movie. Okay. I think him cutting Famke Patent's hair in the first Bourne movie is his Apex Mountain. That's true. I think you confused Famke Jansen with Franca Patent. I did. Which. Good get though. Thank you. Hey, by the way, for Dion Waiters. Yeah. I fucked up. Because we didn't talk about Topher Grace. Mm. Mm. For one scene. There's this girl. I love her, man. I love her, but she is driving me crazy. I can't sleep. I can't work. You know, I quit the show. I totally phoned in that Dennis Quaid movie. I mean, it's like. That movie I did with Dennis Quaid. I phoned that in. Okay. So Apex Mountain, Brad Pitt. Let's just say that. Okay. Joey Pants, Jared Harris as Bashar's engineer. Cherry Jones as Linus' mom. Robbie Coltrane as Matsui. Are all three of those people too famous? Possibly. But in 2004, I don't think so necessarily. Well, okay. Yeah. Point of order. For the record, whatever Amanda would like it to be. Does Joey Pants, do we talk about it in the moment? Yes. Or are we talking about it all time? Sean, that's a great question. Because you're right. Cherry Jones even in the last 15 years has somehow become. Obviously, she was a playwright and stage actor and was an accomplished person, but not in the popular consciousness as much as she is now. Had she done Doubt? Mm-mm. I don't think so. I think Doubt is 2008. Oh. And she's in the play, Doubt, but not in the movie. Meryl Streep took the role, right? Man, I don't know. That's a good question. She had. It was 2004, the play. Part of it is like- Wow, Apex Mountain, Cherry Jones? Yeah. Part of it is that you want the person you're giving Joey Pants to, to always be in that Joey Pants zone. Forever. You don't want them to jump out. So, Joey Pants never really made a Chernobyl. You know what I mean? What was Robbie Coltrane's detective series on the BBC? Remember, it was like on A&E for years. I watched it all the time. It was good. I can't remember the name of that show. It's like the Frickfurter murders or whatever. It's like what all those things are. Sounds right. I thought it was one guy's name. Downchester. Cracker? Cracker. Yes. You watched that? I liked Cracker, yeah. Okay. Big Anglophile. Am I missing any Joey Pants though? No, it's that thing where every single- Jerome and Crabb, I guess. Yeah, but every single person just becomes like tremendously famous. It's true. Or is already tremendously famous. Yeah, I can't think of anyone. I'm going to give it to Cherry Jones. I think that's fair. Linda Partridge, they knew, overacting award. Did we change the- Did we give this to- Yeah, it's Pacino in Heat. Oh. Who it is? Time to reach into your bag. Did I have a specific line from it? Yeah, it was when he's at- He's sitting across the table from that guy and he's like- By the time I get to Phoenix, he'll be rising. He'll probably leave a note right on the door. Give me all you got! Yeah. Overacting award dedicated to Al Pacino's performance in Heat. You did that just from memory. I knew I was going to do it and I was just kind of trying to set you guys up. You know, I'm really this cool. Okay, motherfuckers! Do you practice at home? No, I've just done two fucking 500 minute podcasts on Heat. I know the entire movie. I'm just like Leonardo DiCaprio floating around a pool being like, you know, bring me some huevos. But there's just no opportunities beyond these podcasts where you get to do this. I do it all the time. To whom? That's what I want to know. Let me tell you something. You haven't aged a day. You are a master. Don't ever change. I don't really find anybody to be overdoing it in this movie. The point of this movie is that everyone is underdoing it. So I don't really know what to say. I guess like, is Albert Finney overdoing it with those red pants? Is he overacting? I don't know. It looks great. On the boat? No, and he's like waiting for her and she's wearing the red dress and he's wearing the red pants. We don't hear Weintraub speak, but I can see that he's overdoing it. Sure. Okay, Jerry Weintraub. Okay. Half-ass internet research.
77:23 – 80:12… stuff just jumps off the screen and he almost wasn't going to do it. So in that sense, like the risk paid off. Given the way that you suggested some of the Apex Mountain winners, I think perhaps the long term health of our global population could have won the movie because of this film's existence. That's right. That's right. Our democratic process. Yeah. Here in the United States of America. Is this movie responsible for Obama winning an 08? I mean, Europe is definitely a contender for winning this movie. Yeah. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. Should we go Europe? Yeah. I mean, this is, …
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I think for me, it's either Damon or Soderbergh. Because those are both in the moment when you're watching it, the Damon stuff just jumps off the screen and he almost wasn't going to do it. So in that sense, like the risk paid off. Given the way that you suggested some of the Apex Mountain winners, I think perhaps the long term health of our global population could have won the movie because of this film's existence. That's right. That's right. Our democratic process. Yeah. Here in the United States of America. Is this movie responsible for Obama winning an 08? I mean, Europe is definitely a contender for winning this movie. Yeah. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. Should we go Europe? Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, right before the fall too. You know, just this thing started to come apart. I want to say Soderbergh because I feel like the first movie is a movie star movie and this is a director movie. I think that it's really snazzy. I think it's just like there's no wasted shots. It's gorgeous to look at. There's so many inventive old things going on. He does so much stuff that's just like always in service of the story, but really, really fun to watch. And the reason I rewatch Ocean's 12 is stuff like that. So I'm going to go Soderbergh, but I respectfully allow you guys to disagree. You allow us to disagree? As host. Oh, as host. So you've been judging and correcting our opinions this whole time? That's how this works? Look, I'm going to go with Craig and we're going to record a full pod about the history of Amsterdam and why Ocean's 12. Have you been to Amsterdam? No. Have you been to the Rijksmuseum? Oh boy. You started this, by the way. Have you seen the Nightwatch? You, Chris Ryan, started this. The Nightwatch? Extraordinary painting at the Rijksmuseum? I haven't been to Amsterdam. I'll get your shit together next time you make a podcast about Amsterdam. Okay. Am I right? I guess so. Who won the movie? For real? Jesus. I think the emotional sanctity of humanity emerges at the end of this film. I wouldn't do this to you if you were hosting. That's not true. You definitely have. I thought Amanda's Europe idea was very good. I feel like we kind of had, did we give Italy the movie? We also said Italy won Talented Mr. Ripley. It's a theme among the movies that I love on this podcast. It's just, did you film outside in Europe? Yeah. Ding, ding, ding. All right. So, Soderbergh, Europe. Soderbergh in Europe. Co-winners. Sorry, Brad Pitt. Sorry, Matt Damon. You know, Brad got his Oscars. All these guys have Oscars, too. That's the other thing. We did not talk about Clooney almost at all in this podcast. He's hardly in the movie. And it's okay. That's okay, right? I think we talk about George Clooney a lot on the Ringer Podcast Network. I'm a big fan of George Clooney. George, weirdly entering a similar space as Catherine Zeta-Jones. It's been a long time since he made a movie. He's got a movie coming out on Netflix this year. I think it's called The Night Sky. You think it'll ever be a Rewatchables? If I had to guess?
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