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Apex Mountain on The Rewatchables

Out for Justice 1991

With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt · 3 June 2025 · 20,763 feet

The claim

4:46 – 7:32

… Which I think is one of the best ones we've ever done. And one of the reasons we enjoyed it so much is it was sliced alone. It was kind of his version of Apex Mountain where it's just like, nobody's saying no to anything. He's just, it's sliced alone running amok for an entire action movie and nobody telling him like, you shouldn't do that. I don't know if that's a good idea. He's just left to his own devices running amok. And that's Seagal now for justice. He is out of control. Some of the research for it is fantastic. Just how out of control he was. He really seems to think he's Italian. I know. You …

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and I watched it twice in the last four days and I'd seen it a bunch of times on cable. We did Cobra together. Yeah. Which I think is one of the best ones we've ever done. And one of the reasons we enjoyed it so much is it was sliced alone. It was kind of his version of Apex Mountain where it's just like, nobody's saying no to anything. He's just, it's sliced alone running amok for an entire action movie and nobody telling him like, you shouldn't do that. I don't know if that's a good idea. He's just left to his own devices running amok. And that's Seagal now for justice. He is out of control. Some of the research for it is fantastic. Just how out of control he was. He really seems to think he's Italian. I know. You couldn't have put it better. It's, the Cobra thing was, we were like, there's a part where Cobra, where he takes a piece of pizza out and cuts it with scissors and eats it and no one was like, sly. That doesn't make any fucking sense. You can't do that. Case in point. You can't roll up to a murder scene as a narcotics cop with a fucking beret and a sleeveless shirt. It doesn't make sense. But no one was like, Steve, are you sure you should wear that beret? Yeah. I like the beret. The beret stays. There's no one who could tell him no and the reason why, Bill, is because he's fucking cranking out hits right now. He is cranking out number one movies every single time and it's like, you can't tell him no because everything he says is turning to gold. It's the fourth of the Seagal movies and we have not done Above the Law yet. It's looming. Sure. It's not like we're not going to do Above the Law but that was the first one and we told this story in the previous Seagal Pod that he was a martial arts instructor for Mike Ovitz who was the most famous agent in Hollywood and he somehow decided you should be in a movie. Stallone, Schwarzenegger, all these guys were super duper expensive. It's like, what if we could just create our own version of those guys? Which somehow they did. So he makes Above the Law in 88 successful, Hard to Kill in 90, Mason Storm, successful. Also that, was that the one where we have the intimacy coordinator, right? Oh yeah, oh yeah. He goes way over the line in that movie with an actress we've never heard from since because she's probably a padded cell. It's a, she's just under a series of NDAs with Seagal. Yep. He does Mark for Death. Yep. Probably the weakest of these first five. Number one movie in America, Bill. Number one again. Him and Screwface. It's all hits. Hard to Kill in Mark for Death, both 1990. And at that point, they're like, what's next, Steve? Yeah. Whatever you want. You know what's next for me? I'm fascinated by The Godfather, Italians, Brooklyn. Yep. I was a big Welcome Back Cotter fan

54:11 – 56:57

… scene gene and gershon's first scene great to have her it's awesome what's up gina uh the combo of this and cocktail in the same year oh it's not an apex mountain but it was for me anyway uh he says how you doing patty and she says i can still get it wet hot unbelievable that might be the peak exchange we've ever had in an action movie i can still get it wet i know i i'm guessing i think i know what she means i think she's talking about a vagina bill i think she might be and then gino goes i can't believe you can still eat with that mouth it's all out of the gates where that can still get it wet is a …

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yeah dying is his uh fu manchu uh next rewatchable scene gene and gershon's first scene great to have her it's awesome what's up gina uh the combo of this and cocktail in the same year oh it's not an apex mountain but it was for me anyway uh he says how you doing patty and she says i can still get it wet hot unbelievable that might be the peak exchange we've ever had in an action movie i can still get it wet i know i i'm guessing i think i know what she means i think she's talking about a vagina bill i think she might be and then gino goes i can't believe you can still eat with that mouth it's all out of the gates where that can still get it wet is a vile thing to say well it gets worse because uh after he's trying to get information about richie yeah because he's trying to find richie by the way i'm text you you bottom line the story of this movie what was your text what if you had to tell someone what this movie is about what is it about let me see uh because you had it very on the nose very brief and concise if no one's ever seen out for justice how would you describe the plot of the movie so i texted you the key to this movie is he's trying to find richie and he wants to know if anyone's seen him that's it it's all you need to know that's what the imdb uh thing should say it's imperative that he find richie and he's doing everything he can including going to his sister and talking about uh what the blowjob that she gives right well this is the exchange what do you got she uh she goes what do you want you want me to go give you a little head in the corner and make you forget and he goes it's not gonna make me forget you weren't you were never that good incredible and then she goes go fuck yourself you know like that like really hit home but it's not gonna make me forget you were never that good how does it work gino why i'm supposed to give you a little head in the corner and you could forget about the whole thing it's not gonna make me forget patty whenever that good yeah go fuck yourself gino you're under arrest seagal's a great line yeah he might have written that himself anyway it's fun to see him with gina gershon but it's even more fun to see him with cinemax legend shannon worry talk about it let's go um this is her first movie shannon worry was like if shannon tweed was hulk hogan in the skin of max era who's she macho no she's she's ultimate warrior she was like they thought they thought she could be the champ in sell out arenas for five six years um this is her breakout scene this is her first match basically she's the uh buxom strip joint waitress she's the one who seagal says the one whose nipples you could dial a phone

90:58 – 94:49

… one where i don't it's it's too elaborate to be made up but seagal's like i like this i like the mouth on this one this is a good one yeah tough one uh apex mountain seagal maybe it's either this or under siege this leads to under siege it's his next movie and it's it's under siege it's his biggest movie so it's it's probably under siege he's going i think it's under siege he gets a sequel i think it's that foresight i'm gonna say yes coming up dick tracy it's looking great for him at this point definitely gershon no i had cocktails 88 this is 90 i forgot that wasn't the same year but it's probably later …

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ribbon and you're really looking at my tits then i don't have to beat the shit out of you and she said from that moment on they really got along because he liked her sense of humor that's another one where i don't it's it's too elaborate to be made up but seagal's like i like this i like the mouth on this one this is a good one yeah tough one uh apex mountain seagal maybe it's either this or under siege this leads to under siege it's his next movie and it's it's under siege it's his biggest movie so it's it's probably under siege he's going i think it's under siege he gets a sequel i think it's that foresight i'm gonna say yes coming up dick tracy it's looking great for him at this point definitely gershon no i had cocktails 88 this is 90 i forgot that wasn't the same year but it's probably later she's in um she's in some good stuff in the 90s she's in face off like she did that movie bound with jennifer yeah bound is probably a real conversation piece i love that movie uh brooklyn as a tv movie location must say no mob movies no no pool hall fight scenes yeah my attention i was trying to think of a better one i have it as apex mountain for ad-libbed weapons and that beats a lot of competition from born uh the the joker and the dark knight uses a pencil i still will go with the cue ball and the towel though well that's another one uh things wrapped in a towel or a blanket or some as some sort of weapon i think this this might be it although this is sean penn and bad boys with the with the sodas and the that's still in the pillowcases pillowcase is another good weapon yeah it is um that's really all i have i mean i could keep going any pics ma but we don't need to that's okay cruiser hanks we i can't have cruis doing an italian accent i actually am gonna go hanks on this and i know it's hard but i think in this category the movie that gets overlooked a lot is road to perdition where hanks kicks ass and has machine guns and kills people in cold blood it's a it's a tough role for either of them but i'll take hanks over cruis i couldn't hear cruis doing that accent i have cruis so craig's the tiebreaker craig come in the zoom as gino stop depriving us oh man i kind of want to abstain this is one of the hardest you can't it's a can't abstain this is a true like either scenario is terrible yes hanks or cruis as gino i think cruis is much funnier cruis has the unintentional comedy yeah hanks is perhaps a little i was leaning hanks but hanks would be too aware to do this movie cruis might be that perfect blend of unaware to to pull we're still in the cocktail kind of far away far and away era of cruis where he wasn't self-aware with with the stuff he was picking i think cruis i think he tries to do an italian accent i think you guys can sit there and hear cruis say ain't nobody upstairs like i don't know he did an irish accent in a movie for two hours in the same year it was rough but he does wear a beret and taps so that there is that for that if if craig says says cruis i'll respect it cruis wins i hate both sides yeah thanks craig scorsese or spielberg i'm gonna say scorsese since they're ripping the movie off yeah i just i i i wish in in the color of money there was a part where where paul newman put a cue ball in one of the towels and just started beating the shit out of everybody that was missing from that movie yeah but no you just replaced no sleep till brooklyn with painted black and it's a scorsese movie we did a lot of picking knits already i only have two more gino goes and checks out bobby's desk and finds cocaine money and sex polaroids hell yeah this is the biggest cop murder in new york city of the year nobody looks at his desk for three days and he opens it with a switchblade like they always do that dumb shit

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What the board says

Their apex is elsewhere
Steven Seagal23,280 ftOn Deadly Ground, 1994, by 3,718 feet.
John Leguizamo21,600 ftIce Age, 2002, by 3,962 feet.

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